Sorry dude. One if the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

 

 

That's because most of you are in love with a player in the top 5. I'm not. I think this is a deep draft, but I see no difference between the players who could go #1 overall and players who could go #25 overall. In fact, I happen to like the group slotted to go in the middle to end of the first round better than I do the players slotted in the top 1-10 overall. 

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No, I don't. I get the player I wanted all along and I'm not stuck overpaying him or being forced to select a player I'm not 100% into.

Overpaying worry from rookie contract is just silly thinking. Did you see the FA guard market? #4 overall would be a steal of a price.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Damnit, this might be the one time I can't say "better than RB at 4". 

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I'm lost for words at this pick logic, especially when at least one team overdrafts' players every year at random picks. Smh.  I do feel ok with Howard, Fournette, Cook, McCaffrey, Allen, and Hooker at 4.  I like all 3 rbs despite concerns, but talent wise love McCaffrey.  Cook, to me, is more elusive than Fournette, so i'd give him the edge; but both fumble and have injury issues.  

 

Defensively, Allen would be used more than Hooker due to the Church signing, IMO, so there's that.  Hooker is my choice, although if we go Defense, i think the FO chooses Allen.  OL can be had in Rd 1 or 2 via trade up or not, but if we trade back at 4...Turn off the lights in here baby     

 

S/N: I might've started too early tonight. lol 

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2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

No, I don't. I get the player I wanted all along and I'm not stuck overpaying him or being forced to select a player I'm not 100% into. 

How are you overpaying? If you think Lamp can be a great guard its a good contract for him.

 

By your logic, why not just swap picks with a team in the mid teens and get them to give you a 7th round pick for it..

 

This is bananas 

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JagsFanJay you have outdone yourself. I have no idea how you could come to the conclusion that voluntarily moving FOR FREE from the #4 pick to the mid teens is a good idea.

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Jay has been saying stupid things for months now


If we went off what this guy says Christian Mccaffrey is gonna be bad because hes white and D'onta foreman would go top 20

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He could I guess. It's highly unlikely, but if he did, I just select my backup plan...... Ryan Ramczyk or Dan Feeney.

Wouldn't you at least try to get something out of it? I just don't get the logic here. I don't think any owner is going to condone that move. They'd just say that they aren't THAT worried about a few million.

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How are you overpaying? If you think Lamp can be a great guard its a good contract for him.

 

By your logic, why not just swap picks with a team in the mid teens and get them to give you a 7th round pick for it..

 

This is bananas 

 

 

Because that wasn't an option given to me or I would've already done it. 

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Because that wasn't an option given to me or I would've already done it. 

So you would trade from #4 to the mid teens for a 7th round pick?  Don't you see how dumb that is?

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JagsFanJay you have outdone yourself. I have no idea how you could come to the conclusion that voluntarily moving FOR FREE from the #4 pick to the mid teens is a good idea.

 

 

You said, "Right everyone would love to trade down but let's pretend that it doesn't happen (likely won't happen anyway) who would you take? Lamp I wouldn't mind but outside of that who?"

 

You are the one who told me trading was not an option. I wouldn't want to move down for free. That would be stupid if I didn't have to, but you left me no other option. It was either do what I did, reach for a player I know I could've had later in the draft or take a top 5 player at the #4 spot that I didn't want. I didn't come to the conclusion to move down for free. You took away the options of trading down that I'm certain we will have.

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Jay has been saying stupid things for months now


If we went off what this guy says Christian Mccaffrey is gonna be bad because hes white and D'onta foreman would go top 20

 

 

Guaranteed. Foreman is gonna be a way better pro RB than McCaffrey. Book it!

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Wouldn't you at least try to get something out of it? I just don't get the logic here. I don't think any owner is going to condone that move. They'd just say that they aren't THAT worried about a few million.

 

 

Of course I would try to get something out of it. Trading down was my original plan, but under the scenario JackCity gave me, he said I wasn't allowed to trade down. 

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So you would trade from #4 to the mid teens for a 7th round pick?  Don't you see how dumb that is?

 

 

No. I get the player I want and I add a pick. That's much better than staying at #4 and drafting some DE, RB, CB, Safety or TE that I don't have confidence in. Why don't you get this? I don't think the players at the top of round 1 are "can't miss" guys. I believe in using first round picks on players you have total confidence in. 

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Here's some perspective on OJ.


Mike Evans has been Winston's #1 (and #2 and #3) target in Tampa.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mike-evans?id=2543468'>http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mike-evans?id=2543468</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856'>http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856</a>


Aside from vert (and longer arms), OJ beats Evans in every single athletic category.


That's in a 6'6 251 lb TE as opposed to Evans 6'5 235 lb WR.


When you factor in that OJ is already an accomplished blocker, it really makes you wonder how a creative OC can use him in an offense.


Think about adding an Evans-like weapon to this offense who could also anchor a run game.


That's the potential of Howard.

I'm not trying to discount OJ as a Prospect bc he's great but trying to say OJ Howard is comparable to mike Evans bc his measurables are better is absurd. Mike Evans dominates in one on one jump balls and contested catches and I haven't seen OJ do that at all, his big plays are mostly schemed up or he wins with speed. They're different players.

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Here's some perspective on OJ.


Mike Evans has been Winston's #1 (and #2 and #3) target in Tampa.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mike-evans?id=2543468'>http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mike-evans?id=2543468</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856'>http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856</a>


Aside from vert (and longer arms), OJ beats Evans in every single athletic category.


That's in a 6'6 251 lb TE as opposed to Evans 6'5 235 lb WR.


When you factor in that OJ is already an accomplished blocker, it really makes you wonder how a creative OC can use him in an offense.


Think about adding an Evans-like weapon to this offense who could also anchor a run game.


That's the potential of Howard.

I'm not trying to discount OJ as a Prospect bc he's great but trying to say OJ Howard is comparable to mike Evans bc his measurables are better is absurd. Mike Evans dominates in one on one jump balls and contested catches and I haven't seen OJ do that at all, his big plays are mostly schemed up or he wins with speed. They're different players.

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You said, "Right everyone would love to trade down but let's pretend that it doesn't happen (likely won't happen anyway) who would you take? Lamp I wouldn't mind but outside of that who?"

 

You are the one who told me trading was not an option. I wouldn't want to move down for free. That would be stupid if I didn't have to, but you left me no other option. It was either do what I did, reach for a player I know I could've had later in the draft or take a top 5 player at the #4 spot that I didn't want. I didn't come to the conclusion to move down for free. You took away the options of trading down that I'm certain we will have.

Exactly my point.

 

Just to get you on record again here, if in the event that we can't trade down in the draft , you would rather pass on our pick until the mid teens, risk Lamp being selected by a team before us, all to save 2.5 million in cap??

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No. I get the player I want and I add a pick. That's much better than staying at #4 and drafting some DE, RB, CB, Safety or TE that I don't have confidence in. Why don't you get this? I don't think the players at the top of round 1 are "can't miss" guys. I believe in using first round picks on players you have total confidence in. 

Its terrible value accepting a trade like that for a 7th round pick.

 

Then use the first round pick on a player you have total confidence in instead of risking him going to another team all to save a few million. Theres a reason you never ever see teams voluntarily move down the draft for free when they can't get a trade down... 

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Guaranteed. Foreman is gonna be a way better pro RB than McCaffrey. Book it!

No one was making the comparison of them as players, just two separate examples of things you said that were just straight up idiotic.

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I'm pretty sure Jay has been setting himself up for months, for this ultimate troll job. Nobody who pretends to know as much as he does about prospects, and the draft, would consider doing any of the nonsensical things he's said in this thread. Should be b& for trolling.

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