(07-12-2017, 05:02 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(07-12-2017, 01:55 PM)rollerjag Wrote: Do you you really believe the bolded text?

You, my friend, are doing Putin's work for him.

Yes, I really believe the bolded text. anyone using logic would.

There have been a lot of dealings between the Russian government and the Clintons. Hillary gave Russia a sweetheart deal with the uranium ore while the Russians paid Bill a hugely inflated 'speaking' fee. Russia may or may not have solid evidence of quid pro quo, but I wouldn't discount the possibility that Hillary could have been blackmailed.

Putin lost big when the US pulled out of the Paris accords. Trump is facilitating an expansion of US natural gas production which devalues Russian natural gas, and has promised Poland and other Eastern European counties that the US will sell them liquefied natural gas, removing a major weapon in Russia's dealing there. Trump is also installing missile defense in Poland against Putin's wishes. Hillary would have done neither.

Do you really believe Putin would prefer to have Trump in charge instead of Hillary continuing the Obama era cowtowing to foreign governments?

And I'm not the one spreading false rumors and spinning false narratives in an effort to deligitimize the election. That would be the New York Times.

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(07-12-2017, 11:14 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Jesus.  Can we at least stipulate to the following facts?  

Trump Jr got an email that said in part:  

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump,"

And Trump Jr replied:

"If it's what you say I love it,"

And then he forwarded the email to Kushner and Manafort and the three of them later  attended the meeting in Trump Tower with a Russian woman lawyer who they had been told had information on Hillary Clinton.   

This isn't something I'm making up.   This is Trump Jr's account of what happened.   Where's the 7 that you say I am adding?

The "seven" is the claim of involvement by Russian government itself. It was not involved in this meeting, and there's no evidence that the Russian government "supported" Trump's election. That was only a claim by a tabloid journalist.

No, actually, the CIA, the NSA, and the FBI have all said the Russians interfered in our election, by hacking the DNC emails and sending them to Wikileaks.  

It's well-known that Putin supported Trump and for good reason, since Trump talked about things like NATO being obsolete, and pushed for the Republican platform to drop language supporting arming Ukraine in its resistance to Russia.   Trump constantly defended Russia and Putin in interviews, too.   They had a mutual admiration thing going.

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