(01-17-2018, 02:50 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: (01-17-2018, 11:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Okay...I still want to see where you advocated hiring Marrone before the hire, or lauded the choice immediately after it was made.
You are saying "I told you so" based solely on the fact we may have kept Bradley too long.
Anyone can say a coach should be fired.
But in your closing line here, you say "get the right people in here running a football team."
We can only assume that Marrone was the right person for this team.
If this is true, where was your advocacy for Marrone before or immediately after the hire?
I'm not sure what my opinion of Marrone has to do with what I am saying. IIRC, I was lukewarm on Marrone, I wasnt upset with the hiring, and I wasn't like giddy about it, I was more along the lines of being fine with it... I was ecstatic about Coughlin... but again that's not the point.
My point is, and I dont get why it is confusing, that you can tell quite quickly if a coach is NOT the right answer, as well as a GM, though admittedly it takes a tad longer with a GM sometimes. Gus should have been kicked out of here early on in year 3. Gene should have been immediately ousted after year 3. In both cases I was ridiculed and called names by mods and others for having that opinion back then. I was a bibber, hand wringer, whiner, not patient enough, clueless, etc. I needed to let a guy, or those guys in this case, have multiple years.
What I am saying is, the right coach/leader can make an IMMEDIATE and easily known impact. If 10 years down the line we find ourselves in the pits again, lets not fall into the same mistakes as before and allow bums to have 4 years to turn things around
that is all I am saying. Guys like Coughlin can come in and fix a football team immediately, as have others.
(01-17-2018, 12:24 PM)Bullseye Wrote: When you said this:
You have been saying Bradley should have been fired sooner.
When you said Marrone (the right coach) would have had the 2016 team at about 7-8 wins.
Does this team advance to the AFC Championship this year without Fournette, Cam Robinson, or Dede Westbrook?
Short answer: no.
If we won 7-8 games in 2016, are we in a position to draft any of those guys this year? Fournette? Definitely not. Robinson? Probably not.
I think that's an awful way to look at things, we could have easily signed a tackle in FA... RB can be found elsewhere, maybe, we would have drafted kareem hunt or alvin kamara this year with a middle round pick in round 2 or 3?
that game can be played all kinds of ways
fact is coughlin is the major reason this team turned things around immediately, I'm sure Marrone should get a lot of credit too, but Coughlin turned this thing around over night
1. There are two elements to your argument: We kept Bradley too long; and we had to get the right guy in place. As I said, it doesn't take a great deal of insight for a person to advocate firing a guy. Any reactionary can do that. But making a case for who the right guy is before he proves it is something else entirely. By your own admission, you were lukewarm at best on the Marrone hiring. You are here thumping your chest about being right over the rebuild, saying it shouldn't take long to turn a team around, but at best, you only got the easiest part of the equation right before hand.
2. Assuming Coughlin was the right person to turn the team around immediately, he defeats your own argument. When he became coach back in 1993, his record his first year was 4-12. According to you, if he has an immediate impact irrespective of the talent available, how did the 4-12 happen? After he took the Jaguars to four straight winning seasons, he had three straight losing seasons here. If he is capable of turning a team around immediately, irrespective of talent, how did he have ANY losing season here, much less three straight? For that matter, after he won the Super Bowl in NY, he had losing seasons for the Giants. How did that happen?
3. What free agent LT was available on the open market?
Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
