(02-04-2018, 04:15 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: TJ and Marty, outside of arguing even the most trivial of facts like "water is wet", just for the sake of argument,  do you guys truly feel the content in this memo is false? I am curious.

No, not in the slightest. The FBI's nervous breakdown suggests that there's a great degree of truth to it.

I want the FISA documents to be released because I want the memo to be true. I want there to be tremendous outrage followed by criminal inquiries and teardown of the FISA courts, with ripple effects all the way through the intelligence state. Until those real FISA documents come out, the Democrats will hide behind the veil of plausible deniability provided to them by CNN, MSNBC and CBS (among other media outlets), who are all successfully burying this memo as the politically motivated work of a man desperate to save his presidency. While that may well be true--hell, it probably is given the timing of the thing--releasing the actual, classified FISA documents in unedited form showing exactly who said and authorized what would absolutely destroy the police state and those who use it against American citizens.

So to answer the question, no, I don't believe it's false. I think it's largely true based solely upon the FBI's reaction to it, but I also recognize that it was a political tool used by a man who's under intense fire right now from someone he's seeking to discredit by releasing this memo. Is there exaggeration or creative manipulation of facts in there? Hell yes, but that does not invalidate or excuse the very true elements of it surrounding what could be described as treason if one were so inclined.

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