(02-04-2018, 03:31 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(02-04-2018, 03:16 PM)jj82284 Wrote: As the memo states, the origins of the probe were with peter stroxk, an agent mueller has had to admit wasn't credible and was removed from the Russia probe.  This is after his text messages showed not only a hatred of trump but a belief "nothing would come" of the Russia probe.  That's a ringing endorsement after, at the time, 8 months of investigation.  

This whole thing stinks.  There is no evidence of the Trump campaign coordinating with the Russians and the evidence that the Russians hacked the dnc is third party from a company hired by a dnc chairwoman that had to be removed.  Her replacement incidentally dedicated her book to a guy named SETH RICH...

If there's no evidence, then Trump should stop fighting and let the investigation finish.   If the investigation wants to issue some finding of guilt, then they will have to produce actual evidence of it.   The way he struggles against the investigation, demonizing law enforcement, firing or forcing out people from the FBI and the Justice Department, all the crazy tweets, it bears all the hallmarks of a guilty person.  

IF it is true that he is totally innocent of any of this stuff, then it is absolutely, unarguably also true that he is unfit for the Presidency, because apparently, he can't handle the pressure.

Honestly, so far I haven't seen anything that connects the Trump campaign to the Russians, except for Donald Trump acting guilty as hell.   That just stokes my interest.   Why is he acting that way?   The irony is, he could wind up getting in a lot of trouble for obstructing an investigation that would have declared him innocent if he had just ignored it and gone about his business.

Your opinion is just that.  From my perspective I would go even harder.  U don't leave your people on the beach.  In the real world being the target of a federal investigation costs hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees.  Flynn and mamafort have been loyal.  Their lives are being destroyed based on personal hatred while Clinton's team was cleared of demonstrable wrong doing before their investigation was finished.  That's cheap.  Mueller was appointed the day after he was interviewed and turned down for the position vacated by his friend that trump fired.  There was no declaration of probable cause or an underlying time laid out for the special counsel to investigate.  That's a violation of the statute that allows for the appointment of a special counsel.  

The general reason given "collusion for election tampering" isn't really a crime.  Accepting opo research from. Foreign entity isn't a crime unless you pay them to produce it.  The fbi and the justice department used illegal foreign opo research/propaganda paid for by the Clinton campaign in their application to surveil carter page.  

There is nothing legitimate or redeeming about this farce.

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