(03-08-2018, 07:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

(03-08-2018, 07:25 PM)JackCity Wrote:
I love the way you included highlights, a 247 link , a fansided link and a walterfootball link as evidence.     

Well for one Kirk is not that good of an athlete at all and tested very poorly. Beckham on the other hand tested amazingly, particularly in agility.  Now I don't think Kirk is quite as bad as his testing indicated but he's not in ODB's realm athletically.  Kirk is relatively fast in a straight line but thats it. To put this into perspective , Kirk had a 20 yard shuttle time of 4.45 (5th percentile for WRs), Bortles had a shuttle time of 4.21. ODB had a time of 3.94  (96th percentile for WRs). 

As a WR Kirk will be confined to a slot role with his size and inability to get off press at the point of attack. ODB on the other hand played outside much more in college and was able to be effective vs press and used an array of moves to beat his man at the line. Projected much better in the NFL at an outside role.  He's now one of the most effective press beaters in the entire league. Kirk struggles massively with this. 

ODB's big strength for a guy so agile is his ability to go up for contested catchs. He's able to get clean breaks off his route but if he's still being covered he's great at going up in the air and getting it. This is another area where Kirk struggles with. Its not a skillset thats expected of a smaller slot guy but its a noteworthy difference between ODB and Kirk.   

They are lazily comped together by some because they were a similar size and both were kick returners.  A much more accurate comp for Kirk is Danny Amendola. Strictly slot guys who are below average athletically but are smart route runners and great at sinking into zone. Very talented at making adjustments to their QB.

Says a Jags fan on the jags message board thats in the minority big time. I have seen a number of people say this and just watch the guy play, looks a lot like ODB out there. I dont see the the inability to get off press at the point of attack like you mention and to say he is relatively fast in a straight line but thats it is a joke.  Not to mention the after the catch ability is rediculous. Odell can jump higher and a little more athletic  but thats about it as prospects. Kirk is also much stronger than Odell which will help in the pros. 

Here is something other than highlights, a 247 link, a fansided link, and a Walterfootball link.  Start at 1:10

https://youtu.be/E1n1A73NiGQ?t=1m10s

In other words I wouldn't consider them strong evidence of anything at all.   

I've watched him and don't think he plays like ODB for the reasons listed above. He isn't close to him athletically either as listed above.   

Yeah his inability to get off press has shown up for the bones of 3 years and is the main reason he's projected as a slot. I'd be interested in what game you saw where he showed a consistent ability to get off press?  What techniques do you see him win with in press?

Odell Beckham is a lot more athletic though. That's why he tested much better athletically and looks much more athletic on the field. 

Watched the Voch video before. Agree with some, disagree with more.

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