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MalabarJag · 06-12-2018, 10:52 AM

(06-11-2018, 11:06 PM)TurndownforWatt Wrote:
(06-11-2018, 09:58 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: I was going to ignore it, but since you brought it up, there's a big difference between how a dog treats a family member vs. how they treat a stranger.

There was also a case where a lion saved a person. Does that mean that people should be allowed to keep lions as pets and breed lions in their poorly fenced backyards?

The point being that one example does not prove that EVERY pit bull is not a killer. Likewise, one example (or in the case of pit bulls, many) does not mean that EVERY pit bull is a killer. But pit bulls make up an overwhelming percentage of the dogs that kill people, and an even greater percentage of dogs that kill people without being given specific training to do so.

You have to train a german shepherd to kill, while you have to train some (not all) pit bulls not to kill. See the difference?

Lol, what a straw man argument, Lions?! Lol.

A Lion is a wild animal. Dogs, yes even pit bulls are domesticated animals. I'm not even going to entertain that argument.

And no, you don't "have to train a pit bull not to kill". You simply have to be a responsible owner that understands the needs of the breed.

A straw man argument? How about the actions of one single pit bull out of four million as a strawman argument? My point wasn't to compare lions to pit bulls, it was to show that one incident does not prove anything.

Pit bulls are "domesticated. " They have also been bred for over a hundred years for dogfighting. If merely 1% of the existing pit bulls are capable of killing that's still 40,000 dogs that could kill a child. And unlike wild animals, dogs have no fear of humans.

According to this article 51% of dog bites are from pit bulls. More than half. Do pit bulls make up anywhere close to half the dogs in the USA?

Are pit bulls dangerous?

And 71% of fatalities. They kill, not just bite:

Quote:From 2005 to 2017, pit bulls killed 284 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days.

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As far as "the needs of the breed" what does that mean? The need to train them not to kill? If they require significantly different training than other breeds, that points to a problem in the breed itself.

I've seen several pit bulls in my time at the dog park or owned by friends. The dogs were all very nice and friendly to me. But that doesn't change the statistics.

I'm not suggesting that they be exterminated. Sadly, a million pit pulls a year are euthanized, and I'm sure being dumped at the pound when the owner loses control has a lot to do with that. What I would suggest is that people be required to pass a strict test in order to be able to breed them, and that the designated breeders emphasize docility to get the breed in line with other breeds in that regard.

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