(06-12-2018, 10:52 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(06-11-2018, 11:06 PM)TurndownforWatt Wrote: Lol, what a straw man argument, Lions?! Lol.


A Lion is a wild animal. Dogs, yes even pit bulls are domesticated animals. I'm not even going to entertain that argument.

And no, you don't "have to train a pit bull not to kill". You simply have to be a responsible owner that understands the needs of the breed.

A straw man argument? How about the actions of one single pit bull out of four million as a strawman argument? My point wasn't to compare lions to pit bulls, it was to show that one incident does not prove anything.

Pit bulls are "domesticated. " They have also been bred for over a hundred years for dogfighting. If merely 1% of the existing pit bulls are capable of killing that's still 40,000 dogs that could kill a child. And unlike wild animals, dogs have no fear of humans.

According to this article 51% of dog bites are from pit bulls. More than half. Do pit bulls make up anywhere close to half the dogs in the USA?

Are pit bulls dangerous?

And 71% of fatalities. They kill, not just bite:

Quote:From 2005 to 2017, pit bulls killed 284 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days.

This article has the active link

As far as "the needs of the breed" what does that mean? The need to train them not to kill? If they require significantly different training than other breeds, that points to a problem in the breed itself.

I've seen several pit bulls in my time at the dog park or owned by friends. The dogs were all very nice and friendly to me. But that doesn't change the statistics.

I'm not suggesting that they be exterminated. Sadly, a million pit pulls a year are euthanized, and I'm sure being dumped at the pound when the owner loses control has a lot to do with that. What I would suggest is that people be required to pass a strict test in order to be able to breed them, and that the designated breeders emphasize docility to get the breed in line with other breeds in that regard.

YAY for half told stats.... They're meaningless in the big picture, like most stats, they're always spun. We've already been over this...

Big dogs do more damage when they bite, which is why their attacks are reported and why it's always big dog breeds label as the most aggressive (every dog on the list of your first link is a large breed of dog and hmm I wonder why)..... Because when they do attack, they typically require a hospital visit for stitches etc. Again, aka reported.

Small dogs bite people far more often, but do very little damage, which doesn't require hospital visits because all it does is break the skin. Aka not reported.

Things like this heavily skew your stats and puts a bad rep on big dog breeds.

I've come across at least 5x the amount of mean little aggressive, biting Chihuahuas in my life, than I have any kind of big dog breed. This includes countless Pits and Rotts.

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