(06-13-2018, 09:16 PM)rollerjag Wrote:

(06-13-2018, 07:55 PM)B2hibry Wrote: The assumption was that you meant legal purchases. Dispute what? That there are people illegally acquiring guns? Precisely why when we hear the term "common sense gun control," logical folks cringe. If the surrounding states don't suffer from the same gun-related violence with fewer restrictions, it sounds like law enforcement vs. crime problem, not a gun problem. Criminals are gonna criminal!

I wonder if these initiatives had any effect? Probably not.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the...d-make-our

My point, from which you deflect, was lax or ineffective gun control laws in an adjoining state render local laws ineffective. The topic of this thread was that, despite strict gun control laws, gun violence was out of control in Chicago. I merely pointed out one reason why that may be true.

I'm pretty sure your arms flailed just a little when responding and, true to form, you invoked Obama. Always invoke Obama, it's in the playbook.

I love how people on here think that being an [BLEEP] reinforces a point. Usually means they are all out of any type of reasoning. Anyways, the one reason you provided is nonsensical and does not remotely establish causation.

So you used a story from 2014 to support your point that lax or ineffective gun controls laws are the issue? Why ignore current laws? Also, don't ignore the fact that the single largest supplier (40%) of illegal firearms in Chicago is actually Illinois. In general, the issue is that criminals don't care about laws and then you deflect from the fact that the adjoining states with these so-called "weak" laws aren't suffering the same fate.

I provided merely one bit of executive material, regardless of who was President. The Trump / Obama / Hillary / Fox News / CNN thing is getting old. If you read just that one fact sheet I provided, you may be able to educate yourself by going down the rabbit hole. You'll find tons of material that addresses your "issue" and many others. Feel free to review the gun control/law repository that is the ATF. A link was provided earlier.

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