(06-28-2018, 10:15 PM)copycat Wrote:

(06-28-2018, 09:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: Right, you can say that, but don't turn around and refuse to let the minimum wage rise with inflation.  The minimum salary an employer has to offer to escape overtime requirements also needs to raise with inflation.  When it doesn't, that takes the 40 hour workweek away from more and more workers. If you recognize that laws and regulations now do things we used to need unions for, then let's make sure they stay up to date.
Unfortunately the party thats undermining the unions is also undermining labor law.

You are all over the map and I am a bit confused as to your point.  So to be fair let me clarify my question.  What are unions specifically doing to address the changing needs of the work force?  You have stated some issues but I don't see them being addressed by the entity you entrust to handle them.  From what I see the modern union doing is much like politicians.  Protecting their own self interest in the name of "looking out for the little guy".

Today, unions might not be doing much that is useful.  They are keeping wages high where they exist but that might not be healthy for the macroeconomy.
I'm not arguing for unions per se.
I'm saying, let's recognize that a lot of the good stuff unions fought for is now enacted for all of us under the Fair Labor Standards Act.
Let's recognize that this act refers to wage levels that become less relevant through the course of time due to inflation.

So, if what unions did was good, but now federal law does the same thing, let's support the people who want to update those federal laws and regulations as inflation takes place.

The other consistent position is to say that what unions did was bad, and the fair Labor standards act is also bad, and everyone should simply negotiate their wages and working conditions independently.

Saying that unions were good, and then they were supplanted by the fair Labor standards act, but then turning around and undermining the fair Labor standards act at every turn, and replacing it with nothing, is hypocritical.

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(06-28-2018, 10:25 PM)pirkster Wrote: The giveaway is the "minimum wage" fallacy.

Minimum wage = entry wage.  Those who stay there are those who never improve themselves and their value to employers.

You have to hand it to him... he hits all the talking points straight from the party line.  Right out of the union handbook.

Compliance is mandatory.  You cannot and will not be allowed to disagree with the cult.

You're reading into my comments things that I never said.  I actually don't disagree with you.  There are a lot of ways that a person can have bad luck and get stuck in a minimum wage job as an adult, but most people who desire to improve themselves can get to a higher wage level eventually.
That said, you never know how long it might take, and letting the minimum wage ruse with inflation keeps some people off of welfare.

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