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Stand Your Ground

#18

(07-28-2018, 11:02 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(07-28-2018, 04:11 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: I don't have a problem with it, but that's only if this is an older handicapped man.

The old man stood a foot or two from the window. He didn't make an aggressive movement toward the car. If the girlfriend was in such fear then she wouldn't have exited the car. McGlokton pushes Drejka down (easily) and continues walking toward him. He pulls his shorts up like he wants to fight. He doesn't look like he's done with Drejka until Drejka pulls the gun. McGlokton turns his body but he still stands there. It's reasonable to believe Drejka thought he was going to get his [BLEEP] handed to him.

He didn't die over a parking spot, by the way. He died because he attacked someone unnecessarily. The lesson here is that you shouldn't attack someone without cause.

The text in bold isn't true. As soon as Drejka starts reaching for his gun McGlokton steps back at least two steps, then turns slightly sideways. He was clearly backing away and ceased his aggressive behavior. At that point Drejka had the upper hand and was in control. There was no need to fire.

I'm not sure what the girlfriend's fear, if she was afraid, had to do with it, but if I had two kids in the car and some man was confronting me, pointing at me, I would get out of the car to talk to him.

We also don't hear anything on the video, so we can't say for certain why McGlokton shoved Drejka. 

There may be more to this. There were reports of Drejka harassing another person for the same reason. We'll see.

One thing I find ironic is Drejka isn't even parked in a lined, designated parking spot himself.

He backed away and stood there. Canting your body doesn't take the threat away. He's already shown aggression. Why would you put the burden on the victim to flee, when in this case, the attacker could have done the same but didn't. You don't hold him to the same standard? How is Drejka supposed to flee when he's on the ground and McGlokton looks like he's about to whoop his [BLEEP]? When Drejka pulled the gun, everyone ran except McGlokton. The entire duration from push-to-shooting was less than 5 seconds. From the point where Drejka sat up in a position where he could defend himself and pulled the gun, it was about 1.5 seconds. Think about that. Think about what you would do with someone walking toward you, still posturing as if they wanted to attack you (after already pushing you), and then realize 1.5 seconds has already passed.

The girlfriend's fear is relevant because, if he was threatening, then a reasonable person wouldn't get out of the car unless they're preparing for further conflict.

You're right; we don't hear anything. The girlfriend has never claimed he was threatening, however. In fact, she said he only criticized her for parking there and asked her to move. She said she had the right to park in a handicapped parking space so she isn't very smart either. In my opinion, he's an idiot for making such a big deal about it. Him criticizing her isn't illegal though. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that you said we don't know what was said implying that Drejka could have been threatening--justifying the push? In the same way, we don't know if McGlokton told Drejka he was going to kill him. 

Drejka is an idiot. He should've just parked and went about his business. He wasn't the one to escalate this, however.
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Stand Your Ground - by rollerjag - 07-28-2018, 12:43 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 07-28-2018, 12:54 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by rollerjag - 07-28-2018, 01:20 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by FBT - 08-03-2018, 03:23 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by mikesez - 07-28-2018, 01:40 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by B2hibry - 07-28-2018, 02:59 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 07-28-2018, 04:11 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 07-28-2018, 04:42 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 07-28-2018, 05:40 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by rollerjag - 07-28-2018, 11:02 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 07-29-2018, 12:09 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 07-29-2018, 12:37 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by rollerjag - 07-29-2018, 09:57 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Byron LeftTown - 07-28-2018, 04:50 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 07-28-2018, 05:24 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Byron LeftTown - 07-28-2018, 06:42 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 07-28-2018, 08:13 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by TheO-LineMatters - 07-28-2018, 07:39 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 07-28-2018, 08:39 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by TJBender - 07-28-2018, 09:23 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by TheO-LineMatters - 07-28-2018, 11:29 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 07-29-2018, 04:09 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by EricC85 - 07-29-2018, 07:10 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by rollerjag - 07-29-2018, 10:29 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 07-29-2018, 07:30 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 07-29-2018, 09:26 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Byron LeftTown - 07-29-2018, 08:22 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 07-29-2018, 09:31 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JaguarKick - 07-29-2018, 01:01 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 07-29-2018, 04:37 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 07-29-2018, 05:26 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 07-29-2018, 06:29 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 07-29-2018, 06:44 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 07-29-2018, 08:46 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 07-29-2018, 10:27 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 07-29-2018, 11:46 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 07-30-2018, 12:30 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by B2hibry - 07-30-2018, 08:47 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by HURRICANE!!! - 07-30-2018, 10:32 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Byron LeftTown - 07-30-2018, 12:45 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 07-30-2018, 01:01 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by copycat - 07-30-2018, 01:09 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by americus 2.0 - 07-30-2018, 11:46 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by B2hibry - 07-31-2018, 08:33 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by americus 2.0 - 07-31-2018, 09:16 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by B2hibry - 07-31-2018, 11:25 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by rollerjag - 07-31-2018, 05:01 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by pirkster - 07-31-2018, 06:11 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by americus 2.0 - 07-31-2018, 08:07 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by B2hibry - 08-01-2018, 10:29 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by FBT - 08-03-2018, 03:55 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by pirkster - 07-31-2018, 03:08 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Byron LeftTown - 07-31-2018, 04:19 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by B2hibry - 08-01-2018, 10:23 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 08-01-2018, 03:44 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by B2hibry - 08-01-2018, 04:50 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 08-01-2018, 05:56 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by B2hibry - 08-01-2018, 06:05 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Byron LeftTown - 08-01-2018, 10:33 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 08-03-2018, 03:10 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 08-03-2018, 04:50 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by FBT - 08-03-2018, 05:54 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 08-03-2018, 06:15 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Gettin' Jaggy with it - 08-03-2018, 05:20 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 08-03-2018, 05:31 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 08-03-2018, 06:35 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 08-03-2018, 06:46 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 08-03-2018, 06:49 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Gettin' Jaggy with it - 08-09-2018, 12:29 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 08-09-2018, 12:45 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Gettin' Jaggy with it - 08-09-2018, 12:59 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Gettin' Jaggy with it - 08-09-2018, 01:39 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Gettin' Jaggy with it - 08-13-2018, 01:07 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by americus 2.0 - 08-13-2018, 05:21 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Dumptruck - 08-14-2018, 09:05 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by FBT - 08-14-2018, 07:20 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by HandsomeRob86 - 08-14-2018, 06:27 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 08-14-2018, 07:05 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 08-14-2018, 07:31 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by rollerjag - 08-15-2018, 07:21 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 08-14-2018, 08:33 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Kane - 08-15-2018, 03:08 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by americus 2.0 - 08-15-2018, 05:56 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Kane - 08-16-2018, 09:34 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by americus 2.0 - 08-16-2018, 02:23 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Kane - 08-16-2018, 03:34 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by americus 2.0 - 08-16-2018, 06:44 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by JagNGeorgia - 08-15-2018, 07:59 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 08-16-2018, 07:30 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by copycat - 08-16-2018, 08:12 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 08-16-2018, 04:33 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 08-17-2018, 09:08 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by lastonealive - 08-15-2018, 09:47 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Jagwired - 08-17-2018, 07:45 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by copycat - 08-17-2018, 08:09 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 08-17-2018, 09:16 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Kane - 08-17-2018, 09:29 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Jagwired - 08-17-2018, 12:15 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Gettin' Jaggy with it - 08-17-2018, 01:17 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Kane - 08-17-2018, 02:08 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Jagwired - 08-17-2018, 03:18 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by copycat - 08-17-2018, 06:02 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Gettin' Jaggy with it - 08-18-2018, 11:00 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Kane - 08-21-2018, 12:38 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by 13Coronas - 08-17-2018, 11:30 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Gettin' Jaggy with it - 08-21-2018, 02:39 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Kane - 08-21-2018, 04:16 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Gettin' Jaggy with it - 08-21-2018, 04:40 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by B2hibry - 08-24-2019, 08:17 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 08-24-2019, 08:28 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Kane - 08-29-2019, 02:36 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 08-29-2019, 05:09 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Predator - 09-06-2019, 09:31 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Kane - 09-06-2019, 09:35 AM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 09-06-2019, 02:21 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Predator - 09-06-2019, 06:15 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 09-06-2019, 08:10 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Predator - 09-07-2019, 06:59 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 09-07-2019, 07:40 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by Predator - 09-07-2019, 09:45 PM
RE: Stand Your Ground - by flsprtsgod - 09-07-2019, 10:28 PM



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