(07-29-2018, 09:57 AM)rollerjag Wrote:

(07-29-2018, 12:09 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: He backed away and stood there. Canting your body doesn't take the threat away. He's already shown aggression. Why would you put the burden on the victim to flee, when in this case, the attacker could have done the same but didn't. You don't hold him to the same standard? How is Drejka supposed to flee when he's on the ground and McGlokton looks like he's about to whoop his [BLEEP]? When Drejka pulled the gun, everyone ran except McGlokton. The entire duration from push-to-shooting was less than 5 seconds. From the point where Drejka sat up in a position where he could defend himself and pulled the gun, it was about 1.5 seconds. Think about that. Think about what you would do with someone walking toward you, still posturing as if they wanted to attack you (after already pushing you), and then realize 1.5 seconds has already passed.

The girlfriend's fear is relevant because, if he was threatening, then a reasonable person wouldn't get out of the car unless they're preparing for further conflict.

You're right; we don't hear anything. The girlfriend has never claimed he was threatening, however. In fact, she said he only criticized her for parking there and asked her to move. She said she had the right to park in a handicapped parking space so she isn't very smart either. In my opinion, he's an idiot for making such a big deal about it. Him criticizing her isn't illegal though. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that you said we don't know what was said implying that Drejka could have been threatening--justifying the push? In the same way, we don't know if McGlokton told Drejka he was going to kill him. 

Drejka is an idiot. He should've just parked and went about his business. He wasn't the one to escalate this, however.

You're telling me if you're sitting in a car with 2 young children and a man approaches you, walks from front to back inspecting your car, begins talking to and pointing at you, there is no justifiable reason to get out of your car to confront him? Drejka escalated the situation, not her. And it appears he may have done it before. 

Everyone ran? We see 4 people, one of them the shooter. The man following McGlokton out of the store moved quickly out of the way, McGlokton's girlfriend backed away, just like McGlokton. Nobody ran. They saw a man pull a gun and got out of the way as best they could given the few seconds before Drejka pulled the trigger. 

You are correct, we don't know what anyone said. That's why it should be brought before a jury.

Who said that? I said that if you get out of the car then you should expect conflict. That can be verbal or physical. In this case, there has been no indication that Drejka was threatening in anyway--even from the girlfriend's testimony. I didn't say she escalated it. I said McGlokton escalated it. It was ONLY verbal until he came in and pushed him to the ground. McGlokton, by all accounts, overreacted to the situation. 

OK, I'll use better terminology. Out of the 3 people on video not including Drejka, 2 fled from Drejka. You can downplay how the girlfriend got away, but she left quickly. McGlokton, like you said, took two steps and stood there. This idea that McGlokton had a right to defend himself after pushing Drejka to the ground is incorrect. He's the instigator.

You don't bring things in front of juries to prove innocence. You bring them there to prove guilt. That's a gross misuse of the court system. It isn't a person's job to prove they didn't act maliciously. This is all very simple based on what is known. McGlokton pushed Drejka because of verbal dispute wherein there are no allegations of threatening language. McGlokton continues to advance on Drejka until Drejka pulls his gun. McGlokton takes a couple steps back and stands there. Approximately 1.5 seconds pass from removing the gun and shooting who Drejka saw as a threat. 

What would you have Drejka do after McGlokton pushed him?

(07-29-2018, 01:01 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: I'm sorry, but the officer in this thread is actually expecting the man to flee the scene while a hostile man with a gun is right there next to his girlfriend and children?  Who would do that?  And in my opinion, you have a lot more control if you're facing the guy.  You turn your back and he might just shoot you dead right there, based on reports about this guy.  What a mess.

That isn't at all what I said. What I'm saying is that Drejka was pushed to the ground for arguing, and the general consensus here is that he deserved it or was at-fault because he argued over something petty. That's absurd. Arguing isn't illegal, and it certainly doesn't justify getting pushed to the ground. My point is that Drejka is expected to retreat when being attacked, but when McGlokton was face-to-face with a gun, no one expects him to do the same. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy.

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