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Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand!

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12-04-2018, 11:27 PM

(12-03-2018, 04:52 PM)knarnn Wrote:
(12-03-2018, 04:31 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: 1st rounder. 1st rounder. Top of the 2nd. 3rd rounder. 1st rounder. 3rd overall.

The only point people are trying to make is that having a higher draft pick gives you the better chance to take the player you want. There are more players to choose from giving you the better chance to nail the pick.

I understand you're trying to prove a point that QBs can come from all over but of the 32 opening day starters, 24 of them were 1st rounders and 16 of those were top 10 picks. A couple more just outside the top 10.

My point is you don’t have to have a top 10 pick to find your guy. You DO need to find your guy in the first round to have the best chance AND have a FO smart enough to identify those guys, but it doesn’t have to be a top pick.

This argument tends to fail on a couple of levels.

If it's NOT particularly advantageous to have a top ten pick when it comes to getting a franchise QB, why DO you NEED to find your guy in the first round? Why not wait until the 6th or 7th round? You can find examples of teams hitting on guys at virtually every position-including QBs-at that point in the draft or later.

Furthermore, by picking lower in the draft order, you have to count on the other teams ahead of you getting it wrong. You also have to count on teams behind you either not being able to trade ahead of you to get your guy, or by not targeting your guy if they move ahead of you.

(12-03-2018, 05:25 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Well Leftwich and Gabbert were second choice QBs. Palmer/Newton went before them. So before people go off on this look how it worked in the past ... they were second choices. Bortles was #3 overall and a total project. That QB class was absolutely terrible. Using those as examples as to saying why it hasn't worked out... is so dumb. We likely will be stuck with a second choice QB again. Only way to get the best guy is a higher pick and try to move to #1. Moving from 10 to 1 would be selling the absolute farm. Won't be done. 5 to 1? Yes this can happen. One more win and we've likely completely tied ourselves with the second choice.

Well, it's not the "only way" to get the best guy.

It's entirely possible that all of the teams ahead of you will either not take a QB, not take the best one, or not trade the pick to a team that will take the best one.

As scarce as franchise QBs are, do you really want to take the chance our guy magically falls to us?

Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!

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Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by SamusAranX - 12-02-2018, 06:49 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Upper - 12-02-2018, 07:05 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by MarleyJag - 12-02-2018, 07:20 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Bullseye - 12-02-2018, 10:53 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by JagFanatic24 - 12-02-2018, 08:39 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Bullseye - 12-02-2018, 11:17 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by NYC4jags - 12-02-2018, 11:36 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Bullseye - 12-03-2018, 12:12 AM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Cleatwood - 12-03-2018, 02:21 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Bullseye - 12-02-2018, 10:47 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by FBT - 12-03-2018, 08:11 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by HURRICANE!!! - 12-04-2018, 11:15 AM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by tkappa511 - 12-02-2018, 07:17 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by NYC4jags - 12-02-2018, 07:22 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by I am Yoda - 12-02-2018, 07:40 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Bullseye - 12-02-2018, 10:58 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by JagFan81 - 12-02-2018, 11:09 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by MoJagFan - 12-02-2018, 07:43 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by jaguarmvp - 12-02-2018, 07:46 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by JagFan81 - 12-02-2018, 07:58 PM

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RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by JagFan81 - 12-02-2018, 08:28 PM

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RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Bullseye - 12-02-2018, 11:05 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by HURRICANE!!! - 12-03-2018, 02:03 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by surfon - 12-02-2018, 08:38 PM

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RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by knarnn - 12-03-2018, 04:24 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Cleatwood - 12-03-2018, 04:31 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by knarnn - 12-03-2018, 04:52 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Bullseye - 12-04-2018, 11:27 PM

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RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by JagFan81 - 12-03-2018, 08:09 PM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Bullseye - 12-05-2018, 12:31 AM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Cleatwood - 12-06-2018, 11:16 AM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by snowwolf776 - 12-03-2018, 06:36 PM

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RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Bullseye - 12-05-2018, 12:43 AM

RE: Those Who Are Upset We Won, Go Pound Sand! - by Jagwired - 12-04-2018, 09:01 AM

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