(01-09-2019, 11:32 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(01-09-2019, 09:59 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: That's the best example of a false equivalency of all time. Congrats.

You mean false analogy. I mean, I think it's a decent analogy, but you don't.  So, ball is in your court: What would be a better analogy for the situation at the border?

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(01-09-2019, 11:13 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: You do get that stopping them at the border is not the same as sending out the Round Up Gang to toss them out of the country, yes? You seem to be the type of guy who would use a bucket to bail water off of the Titanic.

I get that stopping people and rounding people up are two different things.
When we round up illegal immigrants and send them away, that's called deportation.  A judge has to rule that they are beyond a reasonable doubt here illegally before they get deported.  Even so, do you think the number of deportations has gone up or down during the last decade? Think about how many deportations you think there should be, and compare that to the number that actually occur.

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(01-09-2019, 10:16 AM)Jagwired Wrote: I don't consider " Going down" from the unacceptable numbers of too damn many to slightly less than too damn many as working to stem the flow.

I'm not sure we are looking at the same numbers.  Everything I've seen says it has gone down a lot.  What are you looking at?

In order to accurately form a good picture of what is going on with border security, you have to get away from the media published basic numbers and go straight to the DHS/CBP Metrics Reports. Here you can see the big picture. The 2018 has not been published yet, but the 2017 report shows how certain characteristics are shifting (land, air, sea), trends are changing, costs are skyrocketing, and quite frankly the migrants are getting smarter to the system in place.  Apprehensions has been in the media headlines but the numbers we care about are the impactable ones that include undetected unlawful entries and got aways. But then again, it has become more favorable to be apprehended because they typically don't get turned back and get released into the U.S. system where they disappear.

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