(01-11-2019, 03:12 AM)JackCity Wrote:

(01-11-2019, 02:58 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: 2-3 yard hooks are more effective than bubble screens, so are regular screen passes, if you complete them. You're probably making positive yardage, albeit minimal yards, but I am fine with that. On the other hand, using bubble screens over and over is a lateral pass, sometimes behind the line. Not only do you have to worry that if it's incomplete, it could be counted as a fumble, but it's not as fast developing as you's think. The receiver has to turn toward the QB to make the catch, turn up field and start running before the DB or linebacker recognizes the play and you'd better have fast receivers or the play is dead in the water. It's not something that is meant to be used back to back, but I saw Bevell do this several times during his time with the Seahawks. It seemed like his "go to" play, even though it rarely worked. Seattle just didn't have the type of quick receivers needed to make that play successful, but it didn't stop Bevell.

2-3 yard hooks don't allow for as much YAC. Yeah regular screens are fine too but they aren't vertical.   

Nobody is saying use them over but they are a necessary part of a gameplan with a line that bad. They are gonna be used a lot more with an inept pass blocking line like the Seahawks had compared to most teams. Yeah it wasn't used anywhere near enough to be counted as his "go to play". Seattle didn't have quick receivers? Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, Tyler Lockett....all were commonly used on screens.  

The strategy behind bubble screens is they essentially serve as running plays with favorable numbers and force the defense to adapt to them. You get a playmaker in space usually with a 1v1 vs a corner and most of time they work pretty well. Not sure I get why you don't like them so much.

That's the thing though. Bubble screens depend on receivers making YAC. Seattle hasn't had those type of quick, shifty receivers in years. So why did Bevell repeatedly use them over and over? I get that they can be useful in certain situations. I didn't say they should never be used, but for Bevell it seems like his "go to" play, even though he didn't have the personnel to make them work. Golden Tate hasn't been with the Seahawks since 2014. He was gone when I started noticing the bubble screen passes. Tyler Lockett was never targeted in the bubble screens I saw. He was always sent vertical to draw away DB's. Doug Baldwin was the main target for the bubble screens I saw and he has pretty average speed for a WR (4.47/40) and one of the passes was to the RB at the time, Thomas Rawls who ran a 4.65/40 at the Combine. Does this sound like the kind of personnel you would want to use for a bubble screen? No way. This just goes to show the guy had no idea what he was doing. I'll be the first to admit, I have a bad memory when it comes to football plays, but this one has been something that has stuck out to me for many years, because it was so bad.

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