(01-17-2019, 05:52 PM)TJBender Wrote:

(01-17-2019, 05:38 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: And Democratic members of Congress went to Puerto Rico to see Hamilton during the shutdown. What is your point exactly?

Her and Cryin' Chuck want to prevent him from communicating with the American people, but it won't work. Do you think the Democrats are proud that Trump surpassed 3% GDP his 2nd year in office, a feat Obama couldn't accomplish in 8? Good news all around mikesez!

It's all just politicians being politicians at this point. If anyone, and I do mean anyone wanted a deal to happen, it would have happened already. Now it's just about letting 800,000 people go without pay while each side waits for the other one to blink.

It's not just Pelosi v. the President.  The whole thing can be completely resolved if 20 republican senators and 55 republican members of the House decide to override Trump's veto and open the government.

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(01-17-2019, 05:59 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:

(01-17-2019, 05:55 PM)mikesez Wrote: Maybe Pelosi's behavior was childish. 

She claimed that coordinating the security was too big of an ask with many of the security staff going unpaid.  It's an interesting claim.  Might be true.  The shutdown has lasted 29 days.  Have the President, Vice President, and members of the Supreme Court tried to appear at Capitol Hill at the same time in the last 29 days?  If not, we can't really compare the claim to reality, can we?

On the other hand, Trump has claimed that having these types of meet and greets with troops stationed in combat zones is unbecoming during the shutdown.  Yet two such identical events occured without any comment about the appropriateness.  So that claim can be tested, and it is false.

That said, SOTU addresses are dumb.

The only problem with Pelosi's claim about security is that it was immediately rebutted by Kirstjen Nielsen that it was false. That is a pretty reliable source of information. Pelosi also told Nielsen that she wasn't "interested in her facts" in a previous hearing. The reason we are at day 29 is because of zero compromise by the Democrats. If they meet in the middle, they can still convince their base "they won". Again, they are playing a losing hand here. Middle America wants border security.

I'm pretty sure polling data says you're very wrong.  Trump is being blamed for the shutdown by 2 to 1 and a narrow majority says "no" to the idea of a wall at the border.

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