Not my post,
I thought this deserved its own thread
"Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip in response to call for State of the Union delay"

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/17/trump-po...tdown.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...1be96d5094

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-d...nion-delay

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Lol, Dems have finally found an adversary who is unafraid to play their games.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

This is fantastic. I wish he would have waited until she was actually on the plane though, then made her get off.

I am sure the troops will really miss her visit.

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He's just mad she won't let him do the SOTU tradition.
He's not concerned about limiting travel during the shutdown.
He went to Iraq.
Republican members of Congress went on a trip too, after the shutdown began.
Suddenly, that's not OK.
None of this is good.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

He's just mad she won't let him do the SOTU tradition.
He's not concerned about limiting travel during the shutdown.
He went to Iraq.
Republican members of Congress went on a trip too, after the shutdown began.
Suddenly, that's not OK.
None of this is good.

And Democratic members of Congress went to Puerto Rico to see Hamilton during the shutdown. What is your point exactly?

Her and Cryin' Chuck want to prevent him from communicating with the American people, but it won't work. Do you think the Democrats are proud that Trump surpassed 3% GDP his 2nd year in office, a feat Obama couldn't accomplish in 8? Good news all around mikesez!

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He's just mad she won't let him do the SOTU tradition.
He's not concerned about limiting travel during the shutdown.
He went to Iraq.
Republican members of Congress went on a trip too, after the shutdown began.
Suddenly, that's not OK.
None of this is good.

And Democratic members of Congress went to Puerto Rico to see Hamilton during the shutdown. What is your point exactly?

Her and Cryin' Chuck want to prevent him from communicating with the American people, but it won't work. Do you think the Democrats are proud that Trump surpassed 3% GDP his 2nd year in office, a feat Obama couldn't accomplish in 8? Good news all around mikesez!

Could that be a false equivalence?  Did the Puerto Rico trip involve military transport?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

And Democratic members of Congress went to Puerto Rico to see Hamilton during the shutdown. What is your point exactly?

Her and Cryin' Chuck want to prevent him from communicating with the American people, but it won't work. Do you think the Democrats are proud that Trump surpassed 3% GDP his 2nd year in office, a feat Obama couldn't accomplish in 8? Good news all around mikesez!

Could that be a false equivalence?  Did the Puerto Rico trip involve military transport?

Not really.

You refuse to see the childish behavior in Pelosi and focus solely on Trump, as if she has a valid reason to block Trump from doing the SOTU address.

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He's just mad she won't let him do the SOTU tradition.
He's not concerned about limiting travel during the shutdown.
He went to Iraq.
Republican members of Congress went on a trip too, after the shutdown began.
Suddenly, that's not OK.
None of this is good.

And Democratic members of Congress went to Puerto Rico to see Hamilton during the shutdown. What is your point exactly?

Her and Cryin' Chuck want to prevent him from communicating with the American people, but it won't work. Do you think the Democrats are proud that Trump surpassed 3% GDP his 2nd year in office, a feat Obama couldn't accomplish in 8? Good news all around mikesez!

It's all just politicians being politicians at this point. If anyone, and I do mean anyone wanted a deal to happen, it would have happened already. Now it's just about letting 800,000 people go without pay while each side waits for the other one to blink.

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Could that be a false equivalence?  Did the Puerto Rico trip involve military transport?

Not really.

You refuse to see the childish behavior in Pelosi and focus solely on Trump, as if she has a valid reason to block Trump from doing the SOTU address.

Maybe Pelosi's behavior was childish. 

She claimed that coordinating the security was too big of an ask with many of the security staff going unpaid.  It's an interesting claim.  Might be true.  The shutdown has lasted 29 days.  Have the President, Vice President, and members of the Supreme Court tried to appear at Capitol Hill at the same time in the last 29 days?  If not, we can't really compare the claim to reality, can we?

On the other hand, Trump has claimed that having these types of meet and greets with troops stationed in combat zones is unbecoming during the shutdown.  Yet two such identical events occured without any comment about the appropriateness.  So that claim can be tested, and it is false.

That said, SOTU addresses are dumb. They are not important.

It's important for both Presidents and members of congress to see what it's like out near the front lines, though.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

And Democratic members of Congress went to Puerto Rico to see Hamilton during the shutdown. What is your point exactly?

Her and Cryin' Chuck want to prevent him from communicating with the American people, but it won't work. Do you think the Democrats are proud that Trump surpassed 3% GDP his 2nd year in office, a feat Obama couldn't accomplish in 8? Good news all around mikesez!

It's all just politicians being politicians at this point. If anyone, and I do mean anyone wanted a deal to happen, it would have happened already. Now it's just about letting 800,000 people go without pay while each side waits for the other one to blink.

Well, someone will blink in 3 weeks when the new caravans get here and I am pretty sure it won't be the GOP.

The Democrats biggest mistake is thinking Trump actually cares about owning the shutdown. Chuck and Nancy are playing a 7/2 offsuit here. Time to fold it.

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He's just mad she won't let him do the SOTU tradition.
He's not concerned about limiting travel during the shutdown.
He went to Iraq.
Republican members of Congress went on a trip too, after the shutdown began.
Suddenly, that's not OK.
None of this is good.

Have you admitted you're not actually a conservative or Republican, yet?

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Not really.

You refuse to see the childish behavior in Pelosi and focus solely on Trump, as if she has a valid reason to block Trump from doing the SOTU address.

Maybe Pelosi's behavior was childish. 

She claimed that coordinating the security was too big of an ask with many of the security staff going unpaid.  It's an interesting claim.  Might be true.  The shutdown has lasted 29 days.  Have the President, Vice President, and members of the Supreme Court tried to appear at Capitol Hill at the same time in the last 29 days?  If not, we can't really compare the claim to reality, can we?

On the other hand, Trump has claimed that having these types of meet and greets with troops stationed in combat zones is unbecoming during the shutdown.  Yet two such identical events occured without any comment about the appropriateness.  So that claim can be tested, and it is false.

That said, SOTU addresses are dumb.

The only problem with Pelosi's claim about security is that it was immediately rebutted by Kirstjen Nielsen that it was false. That is a pretty reliable source of information. Pelosi also told Nielsen that she wasn't "interested in her facts" in a previous hearing. The reason we are at day 29 is because of zero compromise by the Democrats. If they meet in the middle, they can still convince their base "they won". Again, they are playing a losing hand here. Middle America wants border security.

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And Democratic members of Congress went to Puerto Rico to see Hamilton during the shutdown. What is your point exactly?

Her and Cryin' Chuck want to prevent him from communicating with the American people, but it won't work. Do you think the Democrats are proud that Trump surpassed 3% GDP his 2nd year in office, a feat Obama couldn't accomplish in 8? Good news all around mikesez!

It's all just politicians being politicians at this point. If anyone, and I do mean anyone wanted a deal to happen, it would have happened already. Now it's just about letting 800,000 people go without pay while each side waits for the other one to blink.

It's not just Pelosi v. the President.  The whole thing can be completely resolved if 20 republican senators and 55 republican members of the House decide to override Trump's veto and open the government.

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Maybe Pelosi's behavior was childish. 

She claimed that coordinating the security was too big of an ask with many of the security staff going unpaid.  It's an interesting claim.  Might be true.  The shutdown has lasted 29 days.  Have the President, Vice President, and members of the Supreme Court tried to appear at Capitol Hill at the same time in the last 29 days?  If not, we can't really compare the claim to reality, can we?

On the other hand, Trump has claimed that having these types of meet and greets with troops stationed in combat zones is unbecoming during the shutdown.  Yet two such identical events occured without any comment about the appropriateness.  So that claim can be tested, and it is false.

That said, SOTU addresses are dumb.

The only problem with Pelosi's claim about security is that it was immediately rebutted by Kirstjen Nielsen that it was false. That is a pretty reliable source of information. Pelosi also told Nielsen that she wasn't "interested in her facts" in a previous hearing. The reason we are at day 29 is because of zero compromise by the Democrats. If they meet in the middle, they can still convince their base "they won". Again, they are playing a losing hand here. Middle America wants border security.

I'm pretty sure polling data says you're very wrong.  Trump is being blamed for the shutdown by 2 to 1 and a narrow majority says "no" to the idea of a wall at the border.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

It's all just politicians being politicians at this point. If anyone, and I do mean anyone wanted a deal to happen, it would have happened already. Now it's just about letting 800,000 people go without pay while each side waits for the other one to blink.

It's not just Pelosi v. the President.  The whole thing can be completely resolved if 20 republican senators and 55 republican members of the House decide to override Trump's veto and open the government.

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The only problem with Pelosi's claim about security is that it was immediately rebutted by Kirstjen Nielsen that it was false. That is a pretty reliable source of information. Pelosi also told Nielsen that she wasn't "interested in her facts" in a previous hearing. The reason we are at day 29 is because of zero compromise by the Democrats. If they meet in the middle, they can still convince their base "they won". Again, they are playing a losing hand here. Middle America wants border security.

I'm pretty sure polling data says you're very wrong.  Trump is being blamed for the shutdown by  2 to 1 and a narrow majority says "no" to the idea of a wall at the border.

Let's see how it plays out in the coming months as these caravans come crashing into the border.

Also, polling data said Hillary would crush Trump in the election. Do you really believe polling data? I have never been polled before.

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He's just mad she won't let him do the SOTU tradition.
He's not concerned about limiting travel during the shutdown.
He went to Iraq.
Republican members of Congress went on a trip too, after the shutdown began.
Suddenly, that's not OK.
None of this is good.

Have you admitted you're not actually a conservative or Republican, yet?

I'm a never Trump republican. Not that it matters. Political affiliation shouldn't determine whether anyone is right or wrong.

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It's not just Pelosi v. the President.  The whole thing can be completely resolved if 20 republican senators and 55 republican members of the House decide to override Trump's veto and open the government.

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I'm pretty sure polling data says you're very wrong.  Trump is being blamed for the shutdown by  2 to 1 and a narrow majority says "no" to the idea of a wall at the border.

Let's see how it plays out in the coming months as these caravans come crashing into the border.

Also, polling data said Hillary would crush Trump in the election. Do you really believe polling data? I have never been polled before.

Nate silver says you're wrong. A lot of the media misunderstood the polls. but the polls themselves were basically right, that's why Hillary won the popular vote.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Have you admitted you're not actually a conservative or Republican, yet?

I'm a never Trump republican. Not that it matters. Political affiliation shouldn't determine whether anyone is right or wrong.

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Let's see how it plays out in the coming months as these caravans come crashing into the border.

Also, polling data said Hillary would crush Trump in the election. Do you really believe polling data? I have never been polled before.

Nate silver says you're wrong. A lot of the media misunderstood the polls. but the poles themselves were basically right, that's why Hillary won the popular vote.

Actually, the polls were wrong. You would literally argue that water is wet by saying not in a frozen state.

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Maybe Pelosi's behavior was childish. 

She claimed that coordinating the security was too big of an ask with many of the security staff going unpaid.  It's an interesting claim.  Might be true.  The shutdown has lasted 29 days.  Have the President, Vice President, and members of the Supreme Court tried to appear at Capitol Hill at the same time in the last 29 days?  If not, we can't really compare the claim to reality, can we?

On the other hand, Trump has claimed that having these types of meet and greets with troops stationed in combat zones is unbecoming during the shutdown.  Yet two such identical events occured without any comment about the appropriateness.  So that claim can be tested, and it is false.

That said, SOTU addresses are dumb.

The only problem with Pelosi's claim about security is that it was immediately rebutted by Kirstjen Nielsen that it was false. That is a pretty reliable source of information. Pelosi also told Nielsen that she wasn't "interested in her facts" in a previous hearing. The reason we are at day 29 is because of zero compromise by the Democrats. If they meet in the middle, they can still convince their base "they won". Again, they are playing a losing hand here. Middle America wants border security.

So your evidence is testimony from a political appointee who works for Trump.

My evidence is the fact that similar trips took place only a few weeks ago.

Your evidence could be from a biased source.
My evidence is a simple historical fact
My evidence is stronger than yours.

I mean I know you're just going to double down with some nonsense.
Evidence doesn't seem to matter anymore actually.

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I'm a never Trump republican. Not that it matters. Political affiliation shouldn't determine whether anyone is right or wrong.

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Nate silver says you're wrong. A lot of the media misunderstood the polls. but the poles themselves were basically right, that's why Hillary won the popular vote.

Actually, the polls were wrong. You would literally argue that water is wet by saying not in a frozen state.

And you would argue that two plus two is five if the president had tweeted that this morning.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

The only problem with Pelosi's claim about security is that it was immediately rebutted by Kirstjen Nielsen that it was false. That is a pretty reliable source of information. Pelosi also told Nielsen that she wasn't "interested in her facts" in a previous hearing. The reason we are at day 29 is because of zero compromise by the Democrats. If they meet in the middle, they can still convince their base "they won". Again, they are playing a losing hand here. Middle America wants border security.

So your evidence is testimony from a political appointee who works for Trump.

My evidence is the fact that similar trips took place only a few weeks ago.

Your evidence could be from a biased source.
My evidence is a simple historical fact
My evidence is stronger than yours.

I mean I know you're just going to double down with some nonsense.
Evidence doesn't seem to matter anymore actually.

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Actually, the polls were wrong. You would literally argue that water is wet by saying not in a frozen state.

And you would argue that two plus two is five if the president had tweeted that this morning.

If you are asking if I base my evidence off of the Secretary of Homeland Security, then yes. I'm guilty as charged.

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So your evidence is testimony from a political appointee who works for Trump.

My evidence is the fact that similar trips took place only a few weeks ago.

Your evidence could be from a biased source.
My evidence is a simple historical fact
My evidence is stronger than yours.

I mean I know you're just going to double down with some nonsense.
Evidence doesn't seem to matter anymore actually.

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And you would argue that two plus two is five if the president had tweeted that this morning.

If you are asking if I base my evidence off of the Secretary of Homeland Security, then yes. I'm guilty as charged.

But then you reject evidence of things that happened only 2 weeks ago.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

It's all just politicians being politicians at this point. If anyone, and I do mean anyone wanted a deal to happen, it would have happened already. Now it's just about letting 800,000 people go without pay while each side waits for the other one to blink.

Well, someone will blink in 3 weeks when the new caravans get here and I am pretty sure it won't be the GOP.

The Democrats biggest mistake is thinking Trump actually cares about owning the shutdown. Chuck and Nancy are playing a 7/2 offsuit here. Time to fold it.

Amazing how those caravans show up whenever Trump needs a ratings bump.

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