(01-17-2019, 05:59 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:

(01-17-2019, 05:55 PM)mikesez Wrote: Maybe Pelosi's behavior was childish. 

She claimed that coordinating the security was too big of an ask with many of the security staff going unpaid.  It's an interesting claim.  Might be true.  The shutdown has lasted 29 days.  Have the President, Vice President, and members of the Supreme Court tried to appear at Capitol Hill at the same time in the last 29 days?  If not, we can't really compare the claim to reality, can we?

On the other hand, Trump has claimed that having these types of meet and greets with troops stationed in combat zones is unbecoming during the shutdown.  Yet two such identical events occured without any comment about the appropriateness.  So that claim can be tested, and it is false.

That said, SOTU addresses are dumb.

The only problem with Pelosi's claim about security is that it was immediately rebutted by Kirstjen Nielsen that it was false. That is a pretty reliable source of information. Pelosi also told Nielsen that she wasn't "interested in her facts" in a previous hearing. The reason we are at day 29 is because of zero compromise by the Democrats. If they meet in the middle, they can still convince their base "they won". Again, they are playing a losing hand here. Middle America wants border security.

So your evidence is testimony from a political appointee who works for Trump.

My evidence is the fact that similar trips took place only a few weeks ago.

Your evidence could be from a biased source.
My evidence is a simple historical fact
My evidence is stronger than yours.

I mean I know you're just going to double down with some nonsense.
Evidence doesn't seem to matter anymore actually.

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(01-17-2019, 06:20 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:

(01-17-2019, 06:17 PM)mikesez Wrote: I'm a never Trump republican. Not that it matters. Political affiliation shouldn't determine whether anyone is right or wrong.

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Nate silver says you're wrong. A lot of the media misunderstood the polls. but the poles themselves were basically right, that's why Hillary won the popular vote.

Actually, the polls were wrong. You would literally argue that water is wet by saying not in a frozen state.

And you would argue that two plus two is five if the president had tweeted that this morning.

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