(02-08-2019, 12:33 PM)Mikey Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 05:05 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: Just out of interest, would people's expectation levels for the team be the same if we got Haskins or Foles? 

Ones a raw rookie, the other would be settling into a new team. Would Haskins be given a learning spell or would Foles be expected to hit the ground running?

No and Yes, in order of questions asked.

Bringing a rookie in, you have to temper expectations some. There will be a learning curve to reading defenses, adjusting to the speed of the game, etc. There's greater likelihood year one resembles Sam Darnold than Pat Mahomes. If Haskins or some other rookie comes in I believe the FO and coaches are safe for another year or two while we determine whether he is a franchise guy.

If Foles is brought in, the playoffs are likely the goal, and I imagine fans will be ready to jump off the f/k/a Modis building after his first stinker of a game. If we go 6-10 with Foles, I suspect Dave and Doug are unemployed before January 2020.

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(02-08-2019, 09:16 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Of course, the probability that Foles would be better in the short term is very high. I really believe that it wouldn't be too long before Haskins overtakes him though and becomes better for a much longer period of time. I don't wanna build this team for the short term. I wanna build a dynasty like the Patriots and I truly believe Haskins can be a big puzzle piece toward building that type of team.

PREACH!

Ma Home Boy didn't play his 1st year, other than I think the last game of the season. It was his 2nd season last year (which makes your point more solid). 

Kaskins will not likely set the world on fire year 1. Very few QBs do, including Peyton Manning, Elway, Favre, etc.

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(02-09-2019, 11:55 PM)pirkster Wrote:

(02-07-2019, 05:05 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: Just out of interest, would people's expectation levels for the team be the same if we got Haskins or Foles? 

Ones a raw rookie, the other would be settling into a new team. Would Haskins be given a learning spell or would Foles be expected to hit the ground running?

You'd have to lower expectations for a rookie, big time.

If they want to "win now" as they claim to, they'll sign an impact veteran regardless of what they do in the draft.

Imagine if they do not land and start a veteran, and Haskins has an Aikman rookie season.

Will fans be bailing on Haskins and labeling him a bust too soon?  Would the team be nervous?  Would Dave finally get fired and they draft again?

If a rookie gets drafted and forced to start, the ramifications of it not working could be very costly.

I'm not "afraid" of them giving that a try.  But if they choose the rookie or bust route you have to get it right, or there will be consequences.

On one hand, I'd love for us to get Haskins and his career look like Aikman's when all is said and done - even if the first year is undesirable.

On the other, the better move is to grab a veteran and draft a rookie.  We could turn around much quicker and still have the QB of the future.  It's the more sound play.  Would it be possible to land a vet and a viable rookie in waiting?  Certainly.

There's a lot riding on this.  There will be re-signings to make.  Without landing a sure "now" and/or "near future" QB on the roster, they have to start considering whether or not they can sustain this core, or whether the window has begun to shut on it and may as well begin a mini rebuild/reload if the QB of the future/present is still a couple years away.

And on a final note... Bortles was overwhelmingly "their guy."  Ditto Fournette.  For Bortles there were no hints prior that would be the pick, for Fournette we could have turned the card in months in advance.  Be wary of signaling prior to the time the card goes in, but honestly what concerns me the most is the judgment behind it.  Bortles ended up nothing close to what they expected, and there are now concerns about Fournette as well.  If Haskins is their next "guy," they can't afford to be wrong about it because there certainly will be consequences in many, many ways.

They won't bail on a rookie QB after year 1. They didn't even bail on Gabbert that fast and he was/is TERRIBLE. They also stuck with Leftwich for a while, and, as we all know, Bortles.

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