(02-20-2019, 10:13 PM)Bullseye Wrote: 1.  I am only concerned about NFL accomplishments on an NFL board.  If were talking about college accomplishments, I'm sure we could bring such stalwarts like Johnny Manziel, Andre Ware, and Archie Griffin into the discussion.  But since we are talking about the NFL, and since those guys, like Tebow, accomplished jack [BLEEP] in the NFL, they aren't worth discussing, just like Tebow if you didn't insist on bringing him into a discussion that did not mention him.

2.  That is precisely my point!  Denver had just spent a 1st round pick on Tebow two years earlier.  if Tebow were performing like a competent NFL QB, they wouldn't have bothered bringing in Manning.  They would have let Tebow continue to develop.  Instead, they saw first hand what just about everyone else could see:  Tebow sucks.

3.   No...you didn't.  Not even close.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...waJo00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...boTi00.htm

4.  Failed to do the job?!?  Three points from winning a Super Bowl as opposed to never getting there?  Okay...?!?

5.  What in the world does Foles have to do with this conversation?  You have introduced two QBs completely irrelevant to the discussion.  If it will satisfy you, I will concede that Kaepernick is not as good as Foles on the basis of not being able to win a Super Bowl.  Of course, if you apply that logic to the population of QBs as a whole, you would get some questionable results, like Trent Dilfer being a better QB than Dan Marino and Brad Johnson being better than Jim Kelly.

6.  The point about players other than Kaepernick kneeling.

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Quote:1. Exactly, we are talking about 2 guys and you want to bring in 3 other guys irrelevant to the discussion.  Oh wait

2. Why would a team want to bring in a top 5 QB all time, just cleared healthy, and still in his prime?   The guy that set the TD record, MVP, and helped lead them to 2 SBs and win one. Is this really a question?

3. Already posted above where he was outdoing Elway in the same amount of games early in their respected careers

4. Yes failed to do the job that 2 guys you brought up did.  Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson

5.  But apply even more logic, did those guys win SB MVP?

6. Whoosh

Note to self:  attack the post, not the poster-no matter how tempting it may be to do the latter.

2.  Manning was NOT in his prime when Denver brought him in.  He was 36.  Did he still have some good years?  Yes, but it doesn't mean he was in his prime.   Thirty six is NOT  an NFL player's prime.  It is a legitimate question because Denver just spent a first round pick on Tebow!  If Tebow were developing into a superstar, Denver would not have traded for Manning.  Long term it makes no sense for them to do so.

3.  After EIGHT games?!?  Whoop de do!  That and fifty cents still won't get you a cup of coffee.  After three full years (the entirety of Tebow's career), we get a much clearer picture.  After Elway's career is over?!?  Let me guess...Tebow is still better?!?

4 & 5 But I didn't compare him to Johnson or Dilfer.  The comparison is with Smith, who QBed the same team as Kaepernick for several years, up until the year before Kaepernick took over.  Smith did not get the team to the Super Bowl.  Kaepernick did.  

6.  I'll take the whoosh since you didn't adequately make the point and I'm not going to make it for you.

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