(02-22-2019, 11:30 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(02-22-2019, 08:01 AM)mikesez Wrote: Did anyone die waiting in Benghazi? The survivors were relieved by Americans arriving by ground transport from Tripoli. I can only assume you're trying to say that relief should have been brought in by air and that that would have saved someone's life. I'm pretty sure they showed over and over again that are relief would not have gotten their significantly sooner that no one died in the time frame between the two. If a mistake was made, it was made days and weeks before the attack,  not having sources of relief close enough. Also it seems the state department and CIA didn't know how many armed hostile people there were in the area. The investigations were not able to show that mistakes were made the night of the attack.

Yes, several people died waiting in Benghazi. Were you asleep during the entire Obama administration?

The Beirut attack was the first of it's kind, in a country that was considered friendly to the US. There was no logical reason to expect the US to prepare for such an attack beforehand. Benghazi happened after decades of terror attacks on US citizens, on the very same date as the most infamous previous terror attack, and in a country that was NOT friendly to the US. A lack of sufficient defense there was an avoidable failure, along with the lack of timely response once the attack was known, and the lies about the video afterwards. BTW, while some may have claimed otherwise, those lies went on for a week before they were finally put to rest, and the maker of the video was nonetheless charged with inciting the attack.

So your comparison is Apples vs. Lawn Chairs.

I put carefully considered subordinate clauses in most of my sentences.
You subtract them out, to make the sentences that remain false, and then accuse me of lies or ignorance. 
I don't know if you're struggling to read, or if you have malice.

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(02-22-2019, 12:00 PM)B2hibry Wrote:

(02-22-2019, 08:01 AM)mikesez Wrote: Did anyone die waiting in Benghazi? The survivors were relieved by Americans arriving by ground transport from Tripoli. I can only assume you're trying to say that relief should have been brought in by air and that that would have saved someone's life. I'm pretty sure they showed over and over again that are relief would not have gotten their significantly sooner that no one died in the time frame between the two. If a mistake was made, it was made days and weeks before the attack,  not having sources of relief close enough. Also it seems the state department and CIA didn't know how many armed hostile people there were in the area. The investigations were not able to show that mistakes were made the night of the attack.

It amazes me how disconnected civilians can be to how the military, intelligence, and State Department operate in hostile territory or even in general. There are well established processes and intertwined information pathways. Not a fly by night operation. We have to consider current and future possibilities while staying within the confines of domestic, international, and country laws. Your info is wrong on so many levels but I can only address public released, unclassified ...

1.) Plenty of resources in the area to reach out and touch someone. Perhaps even some “cannot confirm, nor deny”.

2.) No team is traveling 400+ miles on the ground faster than in the air. Ground relief was actually after main attack by CIA ops in “area”.

3.) Special Ops was in place and on standby weeks before incident at the request of the Embassy because security teams were swapping out and a vacuum would be left at Embassy for approx. 3 weeks. The Libyan military was also aware. We have had no official arrangements with Libya to keep any type of military presence on their land except as it relates to our property at the embassy grounds. It’s the usual political nightmare. Reason for some distant resources.

4. ) Multiple MAJCOMs told to stay hands off. SPECOPS told to stand down multiple times. 

5. ) The State Department was well aware of the hostility in the area and there are daily intelligence briefs. The info is forwarded up the chain to State Department. See #3.

6. ) Investigation did in fact show mistakes made the night of and leading up to. The Obama dream team got another hard pass on responsibility.

Those are some pretty heavy allegations to not have links behind them.
Hopefully links to the original text of the house or senate committee reports.
Anyhow most of that's not relevant to my actual point. There were 7 Congressional investigations into Benghazi.
the Republican party does not get to complain about Adam Schiff starting the first partisan investigation into Russian interference or unconstitutional emoluments or tax evasion. Maybe they get to complain after the 8th one. The first seven are fair play.

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