(03-07-2019, 01:50 AM)Jagfan44 Wrote:

(03-06-2019, 09:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: I do.  Most of what he says is both false and hateful.  Any truth the man states is almost always incidental and inconsequential to his point.

For instance, when aides encouraged him to renew the TPS visas of Haitians, he said, "why would we want any more people from s***hole countries?!"

This is hateful.  Haiti is doing poorly but the entire country is better than a literal toilet.  To the extent that the metaphor was true, that Haiti is literally a country is overloaded with untreated human waste, that was irrelevant to the questIon of if those individuals, who had by that time been in the US for six years, should be allowed to stay in the US.

if you're saying what needs to be said, and some people find it insensitive, and there was no nicer way to say it, you should probably get a pass.

I think this is true of Ms. Omar in this case, but generally not true of mr. Trump.

Mr. Trump is just calling it what it is, he is saying what everyone else is thinking but is too afraid to say. At the same time he also asks why we cannot accept immigrants from countries such as Norway? Someone in this thread mentioned having the terrorist lady as a neighbor. I can't help but ask, would you prefer a Haitian neighbor or a Norwegian neighbor?

Our Visa policy already reflects a preference for Norwegians. A Norwegian person can fly into the u.s., show their Norwegian passport, and, without having to fill out any other paperwork, obtain a 90-day visa to do whatever the heck they want over here except for work. Haitian people have to get a Visa issued from their US embassy in advance before they're allowed to board an airplane to the US, and not all of them get one.

However our overall immigration policy, deciding who gets green cards and H-1B visas and the like, does not discriminate based on what country you're from.

Which one would I rather have as a neighbor? I don't discriminate based on national origin and, since 1965, our government's immigration policy doesn't either.  And this is no blind idealism. I've had Haitian roommates.

Shame on anyone who discriminates based on national origin. Even Denny's cut that s*** out in the 90s.

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(03-07-2019, 12:29 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(03-06-2019, 10:41 PM)mikesez Wrote: It was true, but irrelevant. Why did he bring it up?

Because he thinks it's a problem obviously, as did the millions of people who elected him President. I mean, you're trying to literally interpret the term [BLEEP] hole to mean there's poop everywhere, like you dont grasp incredibly common vernacular just to make your point, but it just makes you look clueless, just like all the other NeverTrumpers.

he's trying to equate filth and disorder in a place with all of the people in that place being bad.

If we were discussing state department travel advisories, or the living conditions for a visiting contingent of American soldiers, it would be completely in-bounds to discuss the overall hygiene and public order of a place. But how does it apply to the question of whose Visa gets renewed?!

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