(04-26-2019, 01:08 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:

(04-26-2019, 12:36 PM)Bullseye Wrote: He still deserves credit for getting the pick right.

Allen was on the board when the Raiders picked, when the Bucs picked and when the Giants picked.

At least two of those teams-Raiders and Giants-could have used an edge rusher and didn't choose Allen.

If Caldwell were as bad as you say, it wouldn't matter if Allen were on the board or not.  He would have botched the pick.

You say it was luck that Allen was on the board?

So what?

How could Caldwell have designed it such that the 6 teams above him passed up Allen?

Credit for not being dumb once again. That's it. 

Too bad you are starting to sound like everyone else here.

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Btw, Gruden is the worst HC/GM (I know Mayock is the GM but Gruden has the final say) right now and Giants were desperate for a QB, so yeah.

So if he gets a pick right, it's credit for not being dumb, but then if he misses on the pick, then he gets blame for not being smart?

So under what circumstances would he get credit for making a smart pick?  If he makes a pick whose value exceeds the pick number, invariably it's because some team or teams above made a mistake. 

If he makes a pick whose value is equal to the pick number, then

A) he simply did what he should have done;

B)   he paid too much to trade up to where the value matched the pick number, mitigating the overall value; or 

c) if he trades down, he risked losing out on a superior player.


I agree with you on Gruden.  While he has had success, I hate the way he has achieved it with the emphasis on older vets.  I do not doubt he was behind the Ferrell pick.  The Giants were desperate for a QB and reached.

How does that, in any way, mitigate the fact that Caldwell got the Allen pick right?

Again, were Caldwell as inept as you say, he would have simply replicated the mistakes the Giants and Raiders made.

You aren't being reasonable.

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