(04-26-2019, 01:35 PM)Bullseye Wrote:

(04-26-2019, 01:08 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Credit for not being dumb once again. That's it. 

Too bad you are starting to sound like everyone else here.

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Btw, Gruden is the worst HC/GM (I know Mayock is the GM but Gruden has the final say) right now and Giants were desperate for a QB, so yeah.

So if he gets a pick right, it's credit for not being dumb, but then if he misses on the pick, then he gets blame for not being smart?

So under what circumstances would he get credit for making a smart pick?  If he makes a pick whose value exceeds the pick number, invariably it's because some team or teams above made a mistake. 

If he makes a pick whose value is equal to the pick number, then

A) he simply did what he should have done;

B)   he paid too much to trade up to where the value matched the pick number, mitigating the overall value; or 

c) if he trades down, he risked losing out on a superior player.


I agree with you on Gruden.  While he has had success, I hate the way he has achieved it with the emphasis on older vets.  I do not doubt he was behind the Ferrell pick.  The Giants were desperate for a QB and reached.

How does that, in any way, mitigate the fact that Caldwell got the Allen pick right?

Again, were Caldwell as inept as you say, he would have simply replicated the mistakes the Giants and Raiders made.

You aren't being reasonable.

It's the same as with Ramsey. He fell, Caldwell made the choice 98% of the people on this planet would have made. Same with Allen.
I have no doubt if it was up to Mayock Allen would have been the pick for the Raiders.

Caldwell gets credit for something like Ngakoue, Telvin, maybe A Rob (he choose Lee first so... but let's give it to him)
People now blame everything bad on TC (no doubt he is to blame too but Caldwell is the GM and I have no doubt TC respects that)

The bad on DC?

Bradley
Bradley 
Bradley
Bradley
Joeckel (some of us wanted Ansah, so while the draft was kinda bad there much better choices than even fans could see)
Cyprien
Gratz
Bortles
Yeldon
Cann
Fournette (dude is average but worse part is he passed on Mahomes and Watson)
Smoot
Beadles
Clemons
Hood
R.Bryant
Gerhart
Julius Thomas
Jared Odrick 
Davon House
Ivory
Trade for Kessler
Trade for Hyde
Bortles extension
Lee big contract
Hayden
Norwell
Letting A Rob walk
Refuse to bring someone better than Bortles
Keeping Bradley like 3 years more than most people would have
And I am sure I am missing some

Bryan and Chark have done nothing (there is still hope but still...)

For every 1 good move he is done there's like 10 horrible mistakes.
Yeah, every GM make mistakes from time to time but I have no doubt we can do much better than Caldwell.

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