(06-29-2019, 09:55 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(06-29-2019, 09:05 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Temporary measure or not, they deeply hurt American farmers. You obviously have not been around a lot of farmers to see the damage it has done to them. Any type of trade war with China is not going to work out in our favor. If you want to get anywhere, you have to be able to negotiate. Trump is not a negotiator. He's a "demander".  He wants you to give him everything he wants or he's gonna "take his ball and go home."

Corporate tax cuts only help corporations and the rich. The price of nothing has come down. The tax cuts just put more money in the hands of the rich. If you think they're gonna pass on those savings, you're delusional. 

Again, you obviously don't know how tariffs work. Farmers have to buy a lot of equipment and supplies to grow food and raise animals. Much of that stuff is made in China. When we raise tariffs on incoming merchandise from China, the farmers pay more and their overhead skyrockets. The people I know are barely breaking even.

Trump is a negotiator. He makes huge demands and settles for a reasonable win (see Mexico, or the NATO spending for obvious examples). He was a salesman before he became POTUS after all.

If you think the advantage of corporate tax cuts was to pass on the savings, you are more clueless than I thought. The US was bleeding jobs as corporations moved to lower tax countries. The tax cuts stopped the bleeding, and some are even moving back. Stopping the job loss was how the corporate tax cuts helped working Americans.

Most purchases of equipment and supplies can be delayed. Those that can't and are also Chinese, will cost more, sure. What equipment and supplies are bought from China anyway? Probably not the more expensive items. Costs vary from year to year and the tariff is a one to two year (at most) tax. Compare a 25% markup in the wholesale price to the percentage change in fuel prices from year to year just to operate a tractor. Do your farmer friends think that they'll do better under a Democrat taxing them to pay for all of the giveaways and re-instituting the Obama-era regulations?

Trump is NOT a negotiator. He is a "demander". Period.

That's not the way the tax cuts were advertised to the American public. 

No they can't. You have animals to maintain and a short planting season. When you have animals that need to be maintained and plants that need to be planted, things can't be delayed. What equipment and supplies are Chinese? Do you want an itemized list? Find a farmer and ask them yourself. There are tons of everyday items, supplies and machinery that is imported from China. We imported a total of $539.5 billion worth of goods in 2018. That's a lot of stuff. You would think farm supplies would not be high on the list of things imported from China, but they import alot. Even meat is also imported to the U.S. from China. For instance, Smithfield was bought by the Chinese and now they are the top pork producers in the U.S. importing their meat from China. Chinese products are everywhere. There is no way to avoid them. If you run any type of business, you will have to deal with buying Chinese products. Farmers are not exempt. From animal feed to seeds to fertilizer to tractor parts to virtually thousands of other things which are subject to tariffs, the prices are skyrocketing and the American farmer is paying a huge price.

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