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Welp...looks like a holdout.

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(This post was last modified: 07-24-2019, 09:37 PM by Bullseye.)

(07-24-2019, 02:47 AM)p_rushing Wrote:
(07-24-2019, 12:22 AM)Eric1 Wrote: Cap space really doesn't mean jack [BLEEP] at the end of the day. There's plenty of stuff out there that shows you how easy it is for teams to move around money and work deals to fit the "cap limit". Front loading contracts, back loading contracts, giving big chunks as signing bonuses etc etc etc. Plenty of info out there on that.

This front office is likely just low balling him like they did Allen Robinson.
Said anyone who doesn't care about winning and would rather the team suffer to pay 1 player.

The reason TC got fired is because he back loaded contracts and the team was dead for almost a decade because of it.

Either he waits 1 week for the cap space to open up and takes a discount for getting a new deal 1 year early or plays and hopes he keeps his performance up.

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(emphasis added)

The part in bold is only partially true.

Yes, he signed a bunch of older and expensive free agents and that caused all kinds of cap hell.

But the underlying cause of such a spree was draft day misses.

The team signed Leon Searcy in 1996 because they missed badly on Brian DeMarco in 1995.

They spent on Hardy Nickerson because they missed on Bryan Schwartz.

They spent a lot on Carnell Lake because they missed on Chris Hudson and Mike Logan.

They splurged on Bryce Paup because they missed on Hamilton.


Similarly, because this team wasted a draft pick on the likes of Tyson Alualu, the team had to splurge on Malik Jackson and Marcell Dareus.

The signing of Nick Foles stems from the Bortles failure.

There would be no need for the team to sign Barry Church had they hit on Jon Cyprien.  Eben Britten's failure led to Jermey Parnell.

Having said all of this, the team would do well to retain Ngakoue.

He has been very productive for us, especially considering he hasn't played with many leads.

He is still very young.

His continued presence along the DL gives the defense the best chance to create match up advantages for the D-Line in 2019 and beyond.  The cap will likely force us to jettison Dareus and maybe Campbell next year.  The ream appears to have missed badly on Smoot.  If Ngakoue is gone, we'll be left with one viable pass rusher in Allen-assuming we hit on his pick.

Besides, we have to continue to show players on this team and potential free agents that this team is willing to pay to retain and attract free agents
 

Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!





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Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-23-2019, 06:36 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-23-2019, 06:53 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-23-2019, 07:09 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-23-2019, 07:12 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by BigJohn98 - 07-23-2019, 07:15 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by knarnn - 07-23-2019, 07:45 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-23-2019, 08:41 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-24-2019, 08:25 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by surfon - 07-23-2019, 10:51 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-24-2019, 12:13 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-24-2019, 08:33 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-24-2019, 11:48 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 07-24-2019, 12:10 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-24-2019, 12:22 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NH3 - 07-24-2019, 08:08 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-24-2019, 09:01 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 07-24-2019, 02:47 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-24-2019, 08:52 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 07-24-2019, 02:48 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by SamusAranX - 07-24-2019, 07:54 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by I am Yoda - 07-24-2019, 06:32 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 07:25 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by I am Yoda - 07-24-2019, 09:04 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Cleatwood - 07-24-2019, 02:26 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by knarnn - 07-24-2019, 09:14 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 11:42 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by B2hibry - 07-24-2019, 09:49 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by knarnn - 07-24-2019, 09:51 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Perkolater - 07-24-2019, 10:11 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by knarnn - 07-24-2019, 10:31 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by B2hibry - 07-24-2019, 10:38 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JagFanFirst - 07-24-2019, 11:13 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Caldrac - 07-24-2019, 11:45 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 11:50 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-24-2019, 09:07 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Dimson - 07-24-2019, 11:47 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 09:29 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 11:56 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by B2hibry - 07-24-2019, 12:03 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by jagshype - 07-24-2019, 12:23 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 12:29 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 07-24-2019, 12:22 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 01:02 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 07-24-2019, 01:05 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by mikesez - 07-24-2019, 04:23 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Cleatwood - 07-24-2019, 03:37 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by jagibelieve - 07-24-2019, 05:08 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 07-24-2019, 04:02 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by surfon - 07-24-2019, 09:02 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by EricC85 - 07-24-2019, 09:44 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-25-2019, 05:53 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by RicoTx - 07-25-2019, 11:00 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Upper - 07-25-2019, 09:05 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Cleatwood - 07-26-2019, 11:54 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by MikePete54 - 07-27-2019, 09:20 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 07-29-2019, 03:23 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JakobeSVT - 07-30-2019, 12:02 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NH3 - 07-30-2019, 08:08 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Upper - 07-30-2019, 10:43 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by wrong_box - 07-30-2019, 01:30 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Mowerguy - 07-30-2019, 02:05 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by homebiscuit - 07-30-2019, 02:49 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Hard_Eight - 07-30-2019, 02:54 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-30-2019, 02:57 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 07-31-2019, 12:23 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-31-2019, 12:04 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-31-2019, 12:11 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by homebiscuit - 07-31-2019, 06:01 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-31-2019, 08:50 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by ATLjag - 07-31-2019, 08:43 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Jagwired - 07-31-2019, 11:17 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by homebiscuit - 07-31-2019, 11:57 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by RicoTx - 07-31-2019, 12:52 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by homebiscuit - 07-31-2019, 04:02 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by ATLjag - 07-31-2019, 04:41 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Adam2012 - 07-31-2019, 04:24 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by RicoTx - 07-31-2019, 07:20 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by homebiscuit - 07-31-2019, 08:01 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Adam2012 - 08-02-2019, 12:45 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by RicoTx - 08-02-2019, 12:47 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by mikesez - 08-02-2019, 08:51 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-01-2019, 03:15 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-31-2019, 12:17 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-31-2019, 02:04 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Cleatwood - 07-31-2019, 03:53 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 07-31-2019, 02:42 PM
Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Caldrac - 07-31-2019, 01:39 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by jagibelieve - 07-31-2019, 03:01 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by ATLjag - 07-31-2019, 03:33 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-01-2019, 04:15 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Hard_Eight - 08-01-2019, 04:40 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 08-01-2019, 04:44 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-01-2019, 04:51 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 08-01-2019, 04:53 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Hard_Eight - 08-01-2019, 04:59 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Setsuna00 - 08-02-2019, 11:40 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by RicoTx - 08-02-2019, 12:45 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Mikey - 08-05-2019, 12:22 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-04-2019, 06:22 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Cleatwood - 08-04-2019, 06:57 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 08-04-2019, 07:36 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 08-04-2019, 05:43 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by MightyRx - 08-04-2019, 08:47 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-04-2019, 07:52 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 08-04-2019, 08:23 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by I am Yoda - 08-04-2019, 08:47 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 08-04-2019, 08:52 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by RicoTx - 08-05-2019, 07:13 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-05-2019, 07:34 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JagFan81 - 08-05-2019, 11:47 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-05-2019, 10:13 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 08-05-2019, 11:03 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-05-2019, 11:09 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 08-05-2019, 12:55 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JagFan81 - 08-05-2019, 12:49 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-05-2019, 03:31 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 08-05-2019, 03:44 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-05-2019, 03:49 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-05-2019, 09:21 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-05-2019, 04:41 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 08-06-2019, 10:07 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-06-2019, 10:56 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 08-06-2019, 03:50 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-06-2019, 03:59 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-07-2019, 09:13 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 08-07-2019, 09:15 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-07-2019, 09:22 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-05-2019, 04:25 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-05-2019, 05:57 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-05-2019, 04:02 PM
Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-05-2019, 06:54 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-05-2019, 07:07 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-05-2019, 08:10 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by surfon - 08-05-2019, 10:16 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-05-2019, 08:08 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 08-05-2019, 08:15 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 08-07-2019, 09:03 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-07-2019, 09:06 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 08-07-2019, 09:11 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-07-2019, 09:17 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Hard_Eight - 08-07-2019, 09:08 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-07-2019, 12:36 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by nhiverson - 08-07-2019, 12:57 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-07-2019, 01:13 PM
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RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-07-2019, 02:51 PM
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RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-07-2019, 01:05 PM
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RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by nhiverson - 08-07-2019, 01:17 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-07-2019, 01:27 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-07-2019, 03:54 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Hard_Eight - 08-07-2019, 02:44 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Hard_Eight - 08-07-2019, 03:42 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-07-2019, 05:22 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-08-2019, 10:07 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-08-2019, 12:47 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JagFan81 - 08-08-2019, 12:53 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-08-2019, 01:07 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by scottyg - 08-08-2019, 04:13 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by MarleyJag - 08-08-2019, 04:21 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-08-2019, 01:56 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JagFan81 - 08-08-2019, 02:38 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-08-2019, 02:56 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-08-2019, 04:36 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-08-2019, 04:52 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-08-2019, 09:31 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-08-2019, 10:17 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 08-14-2019, 12:55 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by jags_r_bake - 08-14-2019, 03:07 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Jagwired - 09-14-2019, 09:56 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by MarleyJag - 09-14-2019, 10:53 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by jags_r_bake - 09-14-2019, 11:11 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 09-14-2019, 01:54 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 09-14-2019, 08:23 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by flsprtsgod - 09-15-2019, 07:37 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 09-14-2019, 07:13 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 09-14-2019, 11:21 PM



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