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Welp...looks like a holdout.


(08-08-2019, 02:56 PM)JackCity Wrote: Again , for the 3rd time, "it doesn't matter if the deal is fair or not" is not something that's based in reality. That's not a take that actually makes sense in a real world application of things. Yannick isn't negotiating in a vacuum.   

So tell me this , what was the options on the leaked deal post year 2? Was it a team option? Seeing as how you know the ins and outs of the leaked deal.

Also, your take about market value is completely false, players are negotiating deals based on the current market value whether they're a free agent or a player who is renegotiating. If you're going to extrapolate all this with no real details at least know how the market place works

Year 3 of the deal doesn't really matter because he doesn't have year 3 right now. I understand that Yannick wants a long term deal, but the Jags aren't offering that.

The rumor is they offered him $19 per year for 3 years and 40-50 guaranteed. They also included allowance for fines around $500,000 for a holdout after year 2. This means they know year 3 he will be sitting out, signing long term, or be traded.

Market value doesn't matter unless he has access to the market. He doesn't have access for 2 seasons at least. What he has is the Jags offering him more money for 2 years than he would otherwise get and $X is guaranteed where $0 is guaranteed now.


With the ability to hold out in year 3 of the proposed deal, take the current deal now. Get paid and insurance if he gets hurt this season. Then deal with getting a new deal after the CBA is done as it will be larger than a deal he gets now if it was 4-6 years.

The bird in hand is worth more than the 2 in the bush.

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Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-23-2019, 06:36 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-23-2019, 06:53 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-23-2019, 07:09 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-23-2019, 07:12 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by BigJohn98 - 07-23-2019, 07:15 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by knarnn - 07-23-2019, 07:45 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-23-2019, 08:41 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-24-2019, 08:25 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by surfon - 07-23-2019, 10:51 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-24-2019, 12:13 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-24-2019, 08:33 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-24-2019, 11:48 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 07-24-2019, 12:10 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-24-2019, 12:22 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NH3 - 07-24-2019, 08:08 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-24-2019, 09:01 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 07-24-2019, 02:47 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-24-2019, 08:52 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 07-24-2019, 02:48 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by SamusAranX - 07-24-2019, 07:54 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by I am Yoda - 07-24-2019, 06:32 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 07:25 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by I am Yoda - 07-24-2019, 09:04 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Cleatwood - 07-24-2019, 02:26 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by knarnn - 07-24-2019, 09:14 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 11:42 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by B2hibry - 07-24-2019, 09:49 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by knarnn - 07-24-2019, 09:51 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Perkolater - 07-24-2019, 10:11 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by knarnn - 07-24-2019, 10:31 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by B2hibry - 07-24-2019, 10:38 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JagFanFirst - 07-24-2019, 11:13 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Caldrac - 07-24-2019, 11:45 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 11:50 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-24-2019, 09:07 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Dimson - 07-24-2019, 11:47 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 09:29 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 11:56 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by B2hibry - 07-24-2019, 12:03 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by jagshype - 07-24-2019, 12:23 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 12:29 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 07-24-2019, 12:22 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-24-2019, 01:02 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 07-24-2019, 01:05 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by mikesez - 07-24-2019, 04:23 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Cleatwood - 07-24-2019, 03:37 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by jagibelieve - 07-24-2019, 05:08 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 07-24-2019, 04:02 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by surfon - 07-24-2019, 09:02 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by EricC85 - 07-24-2019, 09:44 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 07-25-2019, 05:53 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by RicoTx - 07-25-2019, 11:00 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Upper - 07-25-2019, 09:05 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Cleatwood - 07-26-2019, 11:54 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by MikePete54 - 07-27-2019, 09:20 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 07-29-2019, 03:23 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JakobeSVT - 07-30-2019, 12:02 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NH3 - 07-30-2019, 08:08 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Upper - 07-30-2019, 10:43 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by wrong_box - 07-30-2019, 01:30 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Mowerguy - 07-30-2019, 02:05 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by homebiscuit - 07-30-2019, 02:49 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Hard_Eight - 07-30-2019, 02:54 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-30-2019, 02:57 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 07-31-2019, 12:23 AM
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RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 07-31-2019, 12:11 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by homebiscuit - 07-31-2019, 06:01 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-31-2019, 08:50 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by ATLjag - 07-31-2019, 08:43 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Jagwired - 07-31-2019, 11:17 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by homebiscuit - 07-31-2019, 11:57 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by RicoTx - 07-31-2019, 12:52 PM
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RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by ATLjag - 07-31-2019, 04:41 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Adam2012 - 07-31-2019, 04:24 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by RicoTx - 07-31-2019, 07:20 PM
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RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Adam2012 - 08-02-2019, 12:45 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by RicoTx - 08-02-2019, 12:47 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by mikesez - 08-02-2019, 08:51 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-01-2019, 03:15 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-31-2019, 12:17 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by NYC4jags - 07-31-2019, 02:04 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Cleatwood - 07-31-2019, 03:53 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Kane - 07-31-2019, 02:42 PM
Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Caldrac - 07-31-2019, 01:39 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by jagibelieve - 07-31-2019, 03:01 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by ATLjag - 07-31-2019, 03:33 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-01-2019, 04:15 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Hard_Eight - 08-01-2019, 04:40 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 08-01-2019, 04:44 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-01-2019, 04:51 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 08-01-2019, 04:53 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Hard_Eight - 08-01-2019, 04:59 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Setsuna00 - 08-02-2019, 11:40 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by RicoTx - 08-02-2019, 12:45 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Mikey - 08-05-2019, 12:22 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-04-2019, 06:22 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Cleatwood - 08-04-2019, 06:57 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 08-04-2019, 07:36 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 08-04-2019, 05:43 PM
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RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Eric1 - 08-04-2019, 08:23 PM
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RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-05-2019, 07:34 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JagFan81 - 08-05-2019, 11:47 AM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-05-2019, 10:13 AM
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RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by Bullseye - 08-07-2019, 09:13 AM
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Welp...looks like a holdout. - by p_rushing - 08-05-2019, 06:54 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-05-2019, 07:07 PM
RE: Welp...looks like a holdout. - by JackCity - 08-05-2019, 08:10 PM
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