(08-08-2019, 04:36 PM)p_rushing Wrote:

(08-08-2019, 02:56 PM)JackCity Wrote: Again , for the 3rd time, "it doesn't matter if the deal is fair or not" is not something that's based in reality. That's not a take that actually makes sense in a real world application of things. Yannick isn't negotiating in a vacuum.   

So tell me this , what was the options on the leaked deal post year 2? Was it a team option? Seeing as how you know the ins and outs of the leaked deal.

Also, your take about market value is completely false, players are negotiating deals based on the current market value whether they're a free agent or a player who is renegotiating. If you're going to extrapolate all this with no real details at least know how the market place works

Year 3 of the deal doesn't really matter because he doesn't have year 3 right now. I understand that Yannick wants a long term deal, but the Jags aren't offering that.

The rumor is they offered him $19 per year for 3 years and 40-50 guaranteed. They also included allowance for fines around $500,000 for a holdout after year 2. This means they know year 3 he will be sitting out, signing long term, or be traded.

Market value doesn't matter unless he has access to the market. He doesn't have access for 2 seasons at least. What he has is the Jags offering him more money for 2 years than he would otherwise get and $X is guaranteed where $0 is guaranteed now.


With the ability to hold out in year 3 of the proposed deal, take the current deal now. Get paid and insurance if he gets hurt this season. Then deal with getting a new deal after the CBA is done as it will be larger than a deal he gets now if it was 4-6 years.

The bird in hand is worth more than the 2 in the bush.

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The details on the extra years do matter because if it's say a team option, then its an extra year of team control at a potentially sub optimal price and range for Yannick. This is partly why judging a deal with no important details is pretty shortsighted. 

Market value is how these deals are negotiatied man. Agents will show numbers and structures from similar deals and make the case for why their client deserves them , including external factors like time of signing, team outlook, injury history etc etc. What someone else got paid on the open market is relevant to these discussions too. If you don't believe listen to some former or current agents talk about contract negotiation.

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(08-08-2019, 04:13 PM)scottyg Wrote:

(08-08-2019, 01:07 PM)JackCity Wrote: It does matter. If Frank Clark is getting say 4 years with 60 guaranteed and 35 of that on signing, well then it sets the market for what Yannicks deal does be..

You saying things don't matter doesn't make it so. All of what I mentioned matters in contracts negotiations. Yannick will be looking for all of the above in contract negotiations. 

You can keep taking about this mythical deal that you have somehow determined is the fairest possible offer Yannick should have taken but it's not based in reality.

Neither are Yan's expectations.  He thinks he's the best DE in football - he's not.  He thinks he should be the highest paid DE in football - he shouldn't be.

I think Yan deserves a big payday as much as the next guy, but I'm with the team here... The guys "setting the market" finished their rookie deals, and they were seriously overpaid.

Forgive me if I've missed this, but has his team said they want a bigger deal than Khalil Mack?

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Also, you guys taking that offer (without any concrete details ) as gospel, just remember which side most likely leaked that and consider if they would be an unbiased source or not

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