(10-17-2019, 06:17 AM)Bullseye Wrote:

(10-16-2019, 11:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Not really, mostly a regurgitation of Eric1's talking points.

(10-17-2019, 12:03 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: Far from interesting and has been shared already. Its a trash article with half truths. The only fair point they make is resigning Bortles and not just letting his 5th year option determine if we keep him or not. That is literally all they have here. 

1. What was the team to do? Signing guys 2 years before their rookie deal is up isn't the norm.. Ramsey would have gotten paid this off-season, and Shad made that known. These players do realize there is a salary cap, right? 


2. Same with Yan, the reports and rumors are he would have been a top 5 paid DE if he took the deal offered this past off-season, is he playing like a top 5 DE This year(No.)?


3. EVERY team mixes and matches zone and man. Jalen doesn't get to be DC and CB - I hope he enjoys the Rams defense - playing zone. 

4. No team, unless you are the Patriots, and MAYBE the Chiefs with Pat, win every year consistently. Look at the Rams, 3-3, Eagles, 3-3, and Falcons, 1-5. These are your 3 most recent SB teams not named New England. Not one of them have a "winning" record right now and have glaring holes/weaknesses. Lets go back 1 more year, Denver is 2-4 and Carolina is the only winning team on this list NOT named New England at 4-2, which posted record of 17-16 in the 2 years after their Superbowl, including 1 playoff loss in the wild card. 

Winning is hard in the NFL - "I just want to win" is not an excuse, every player does. Its hard to win on a regular basis in the NFL. Teams like the  Brady led Patriots, Or the Manning era Colts, and now the Mahomes era Chiefs, are the exception, not the rule. Talk to guys on the Browns, Dolphins, Jets, or Redskins. At least the Jaguars were in a AFCCG a couple seasons ago, had a chance to win a lot of games last year, and could easily be 3-3 right now. 


Jalen is a me first, diva who lacks any form of accountability. His team was tied for 1st in the AFCS when he decided to quit on his team. Good. Riddance.

Edit: Throw Russel Wilson in there too, guy is a baller and I forgot about the Hawks, very good with him as well.

Apologies for the duplicate post.

Having not read the entirety of the now THIRTY page thread nor seen the article elsewhere when I posted it led to the duplication.

Mea culpa.

Having dispensed with that

1.  Yes...if that's what it takes to keep your best player  happy, doing so does not violate the applicable NFL rules, and causes no harm to the team, then absolutely you sign him then.  Clearly signing him to a new deal wasn't against league rules, as evidenced by players from the same draft class being signed to new deals.  He wanted more money, so it would have likely mollified him for now.  The unknown is whether, from a salary cap perspective, signing him would have caused harm to the team.  What IS known is NOT signing him contributed to his unhappiness here and ultimately led to his trade demand.  What IS known is that we had a highly regarded player in his prime at a premium position and  is now gone.

2.  As for Yan, Yan is homegrown talent, very productive since he has been here, still relatively healthy and in his prime and has represented the Jaguars well in just about every possible scenario, embodying everything Jaguars fans claim to want in a player.  When the team made Norwell the highest paid guard, nobody on the board had a problem with it.  In fact, everyone said the Jaguars have to overpay to get quality free agents and were fine with it.  When the team signed Foles, while there were some who questioned the size of his deal, the overwhelming majority of posters here enthusiastically endorsed the signing.  When the team signed Campbell and Bouye, few had problems with the size of the deals associated with them.  Why the distinction with a guy like Yan, who has been the big play edge rusher this team has lacked going back to Tony freaking Brackens?  If signing an outside player/free agent is required to substantially upgrade a position, I am okay overpaying to a reasonable degree to get the player.  But if you have a young, healthy, in his prime player on your roster where he is at the very top of his position in the league like Ramsey, or at least good enough to where getting a substantial  upgrade on the market isn't likely, then it makes sense to re-sign those players, especially when they are key to the recent resurgence the team had.

3.  Yes, every team DOES mix zone and man.  That is based on several factors.  Now despite the team ranking in the top 5 defenses with this same scheme for several years now, there is no shortage of fans lamenting the lack of creativity and aggressiveness of the scheme on message boards, twitter feeds and call in radio shows all over Jacksonville and around the league.   Certainly you don't seriously assert fans on a message board should have more of an opinion on the game plan than a person tasked with helping to execute it?  Wait a minute...withdraw that last question.  I already know the answer.  Having said that, Ramsey's stance was puzzling on some level, considering he said on Frangie's show that the defenses have to mix up the coverages between man and zone.  Nevertheless, it is well within Ramsey's right to voice input  regarding game planning as any other player, and certainly more than any fan or media hack.  This is true even if it represents a departure from a prior publicly stated position.

4..  It's true that every team has down seasons.  I have preached that for years here when I have repeatedly urged patience.  But NOT every team goes through stretches where you have one (1) winning season since 2008.  Not many teams go through stretches where the team has lost 12 out of the last 14 games like the Jaguars faced starting last year and continuing this year.  How many times since 2012 have the Jaguars had stretches like that?  How does that compare with other teams?   Furthermore, just because every team goes through a losing stretch, it doesn't make it any easier for competitive players to endure the losing.  Part of what makes Ramsey a great player is his competitiveness.  Why hold that against him when that trait-the burning desire to win-is lauded in every other player in almost every conceivable context?  Finally, other teams having had longer than normal stretches of prolific losing in no way absolves the Jaguars in their errors which result in extending theirs.

Did Ramsey display ideal behavior his last days here?  Absolutely not.  But Yan has and he's not signed either.  Maybe it isn't just Jalen.  Or maybe there is some validity to the criticisms.