An interesting read...

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/9/17/20869...beuSFQQELY

Not really, mostly a regurgitation of Eric1's talking points.

An interesting read...

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/9/17/20869...beuSFQQELY

Far from interesting and has been shared already. Its a trash article with half truths. The only fair point they make is resigning Bortles and not just letting his 5th year option determine if we keep him or not. That is literally all they have here. 

1. What was the team to do? Signing guys 2 years before their rookie deal is up isn't the norm.. Ramsey would have gotten paid this off-season, and Shad made that known. These players do realize there is a salary cap, right? 


2. Same with Yan, the reports and rumors are he would have been a top 5 paid DE if he took the deal offered this past off-season, is he playing like a top 5 DE This year(No.)?


3. EVERY team mixes and matches zone and man. Jalen doesn't get to be DC and CB - I hope he enjoys the Rams defense - playing zone. 

4. No team, unless you are the Patriots, and MAYBE the Chiefs with Pat, win every year consistently. Look at the Rams, 3-3, Eagles, 3-3, and Falcons, 1-5. These are your 3 most recent SB teams not named New England. Not one of them have a "winning" record right now and have glaring holes/weaknesses. Lets go back 1 more year, Denver is 2-4 and Carolina is the only winning team on this list NOT named New England at 4-2, which posted record of 17-16 in the 2 years after their Superbowl, including 1 playoff loss in the wild card. 

Winning is hard in the NFL - "I just want to win" is not an excuse, every player does. Its hard to win on a regular basis in the NFL. Teams like the  Brady led Patriots, Or the Manning era Colts, and now the Mahomes era Chiefs, are the exception, not the rule. Talk to guys on the Browns, Dolphins, Jets, or Redskins. At least the Jaguars were in a AFCCG a couple seasons ago, had a chance to win a lot of games last year, and could easily be 3-3 right now. 


Jalen is a me first, diva who lacks any form of accountability. His team was tied for 1st in the AFCS when he decided to quit on his team. Good. Riddance.

Edit: Throw Russel Wilson in there too, guy is a baller and I forgot about the Hawks, very good with him as well.

Apologies for the duplicate post.

Having not read the entirety of the now THIRTY page thread nor seen the article elsewhere when I posted it led to the duplication.

Mea culpa.

Having dispensed with that

1.  Yes...if that's what it takes to keep your best player  happy, doing so does not violate the applicable NFL rules, and causes no harm to the team, then absolutely you sign him then.  Clearly signing him to a new deal wasn't against league rules, as evidenced by players from the same draft class being signed to new deals.  He wanted more money, so it would have likely mollified him for now.  The unknown is whether, from a salary cap perspective, signing him would have caused harm to the team.  What IS known is NOT signing him contributed to his unhappiness here and ultimately led to his trade demand.  What IS known is that we had a highly regarded player in his prime at a premium position and  is now gone.

2.  As for Yan, Yan is homegrown talent, very productive since he has been here, still relatively healthy and in his prime and has represented the Jaguars well in just about every possible scenario, embodying everything Jaguars fans claim to want in a player.  When the team made Norwell the highest paid guard, nobody on the board had a problem with it.  In fact, everyone said the Jaguars have to overpay to get quality free agents and were fine with it.  When the team signed Foles, while there were some who questioned the size of his deal, the overwhelming majority of posters here enthusiastically endorsed the signing.  When the team signed Campbell and Bouye, few had problems with the size of the deals associated with them.  Why the distinction with a guy like Yan, who has been the big play edge rusher this team has lacked going back to Tony freaking Brackens?  If signing an outside player/free agent is required to substantially upgrade a position, I am okay overpaying to a reasonable degree to get the player.  But if you have a young, healthy, in his prime player on your roster where he is at the very top of his position in the league like Ramsey, or at least good enough to where getting a substantial  upgrade on the market isn't likely, then it makes sense to re-sign those players, especially when they are key to the recent resurgence the team had.

3.  Yes, every team DOES mix zone and man.  That is based on several factors.  Now despite the team ranking in the top 5 defenses with this same scheme for several years now, there is no shortage of fans lamenting the lack of creativity and aggressiveness of the scheme on message boards, twitter feeds and call in radio shows all over Jacksonville and around the league.   Certainly you don't seriously assert fans on a message board should have more of an opinion on the game plan than a person tasked with helping to execute it?  Wait a minute...withdraw that last question.  I already know the answer.  Having said that, Ramsey's stance was puzzling on some level, considering he said on Frangie's show that the defenses have to mix up the coverages between man and zone.  Nevertheless, it is well within Ramsey's right to voice input  regarding game planning as any other player, and certainly more than any fan or media hack.  This is true even if it represents a departure from a prior publicly stated position.

4..  It's true that every team has down seasons.  I have preached that for years here when I have repeatedly urged patience.  But NOT every team goes through stretches where you have one (1) winning season since 2008.  Not many teams go through stretches where the team has lost 12 out of the last 14 games like the Jaguars faced starting last year and continuing this year.  How many times since 2012 have the Jaguars had stretches like that?  How does that compare with other teams?   Furthermore, just because every team goes through a losing stretch, it doesn't make it any easier for competitive players to endure the losing.  Part of what makes Ramsey a great player is his competitiveness.  Why hold that against him when that trait-the burning desire to win-is lauded in every other player in almost every conceivable context?  Finally, other teams having had longer than normal stretches of prolific losing in no way absolves the Jaguars in their errors which result in extending theirs.

Did Ramsey display ideal behavior his last days here?  Absolutely not.  But Yan has and he's not signed either.  Maybe it isn't just Jalen.  Or maybe there is some validity to the criticisms.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I listened to it multiple times with headphones and without.

Hard to tell really. I kept hearing "[BLEEP] that, or [BLEEP] yeah".

Could be "bump that" as well. The 2nd time dude says it is clearer, but still hard to make out for 100% certain.

I most definitely don't hear "Jalen" though.

Look man.. I didn’t want say this as I just assumed you would hear it... but he said the following:

“ [BLEEP] Ramsey and [BLEEP] eric1 from duvalpride for being on Ramsey’s nuts! “  At which point Jack started to laugh.

Not my words.. I’m just translating it.

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Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Not really, mostly a regurgitation of Eric1's talking points.

Far from interesting and has been shared already. Its a trash article with half truths. The only fair point they make is resigning Bortles and not just letting his 5th year option determine if we keep him or not. That is literally all they have here. 

1. What was the team to do? Signing guys 2 years before their rookie deal is up isn't the norm.. Ramsey would have gotten paid this off-season, and Shad made that known. These players do realize there is a salary cap, right? 


2. Same with Yan, the reports and rumors are he would have been a top 5 paid DE if he took the deal offered this past off-season, is he playing like a top 5 DE This year(No.)?


3. EVERY team mixes and matches zone and man. Jalen doesn't get to be DC and CB - I hope he enjoys the Rams defense - playing zone. 

4. No team, unless you are the Patriots, and MAYBE the Chiefs with Pat, win every year consistently. Look at the Rams, 3-3, Eagles, 3-3, and Falcons, 1-5. These are your 3 most recent SB teams not named New England. Not one of them have a "winning" record right now and have glaring holes/weaknesses. Lets go back 1 more year, Denver is 2-4 and Carolina is the only winning team on this list NOT named New England at 4-2, which posted record of 17-16 in the 2 years after their Superbowl, including 1 playoff loss in the wild card. 

Winning is hard in the NFL - "I just want to win" is not an excuse, every player does. Its hard to win on a regular basis in the NFL. Teams like the  Brady led Patriots, Or the Manning era Colts, and now the Mahomes era Chiefs, are the exception, not the rule. Talk to guys on the Browns, Dolphins, Jets, or Redskins. At least the Jaguars were in a AFCCG a couple seasons ago, had a chance to win a lot of games last year, and could easily be 3-3 right now. 


Jalen is a me first, diva who lacks any form of accountability. His team was tied for 1st in the AFCS when he decided to quit on his team. Good. Riddance.

Edit: Throw Russel Wilson in there too, guy is a baller and I forgot about the Hawks, very good with him as well.

Apologies for the duplicate post.

Having not read the entirety of the now THIRTY page thread nor seen the article elsewhere when I posted it led to the duplication.

Mea culpa.

Having dispensed with that

1.  Yes...if that's what it takes to keep your best player  happy, doing so does not violate the applicable NFL rules, and causes no harm to the team, then absolutely you sign him then.  Clearly signing him to a new deal wasn't against league rules, as evidenced by players from the same draft class being signed to new deals.  He wanted more money, so it would have likely mollified him for now.  The unknown is whether, from a salary cap perspective, signing him would have caused harm to the team.  What IS known is NOT signing him contributed to his unhappiness here and ultimately led to his trade demand.  What IS known is that we had a highly regarded player in his prime at a premium position and  is now gone.

2.  As for Yan, Yan is homegrown talent, very productive since he has been here, still relatively healthy and in his prime and has represented the Jaguars well in just about every possible scenario, embodying everything Jaguars fans claim to want in a player.  When the team made Norwell the highest paid guard, nobody on the board had a problem with it.  In fact, everyone said the Jaguars have to overpay to get quality free agents and were fine with it.  When the team signed Foles, while there were some who questioned the size of his deal, the overwhelming majority of posters here enthusiastically endorsed the signing.  When the team signed Campbell and Bouye, few had problems with the size of the deals associated with them.  Why the distinction with a guy like Yan, who has been the big play edge rusher this team has lacked going back to Tony freaking Brackens?  If signing an outside player/free agent is required to substantially upgrade a position, I am okay overpaying to a reasonable degree to get the player.  But if you have a young, healthy, in his prime player on your roster where he is at the very top of his position in the league like Ramsey, or at least good enough to where getting a substantial  upgrade on the market isn't likely, then it makes sense to re-sign those players, especially when they are key to the recent resurgence the team had.

3.  Yes, every team DOES mix zone and man.  That is based on several factors.  Now despite the team ranking in the top 5 defenses with this same scheme for several years now, there is no shortage of fans lamenting the lack of creativity and aggressiveness of the scheme on message boards, twitter feeds and call in radio shows all over Jacksonville and around the league.   Certainly you don't seriously assert fans on a message board should have more of an opinion on the game plan than a person tasked with helping to execute it?  Wait a minute...withdraw that last question.  I already know the answer.  Having said that, Ramsey's stance was puzzling on some level, considering he said on Frangie's show that the defenses have to mix up the coverages between man and zone.  Nevertheless, it is well within Ramsey's right to voice input  regarding game planning as any other player, and certainly more than any fan or media hack.  This is true even if it represents a departure from a prior publicly stated position.

4..  It's true that every team has down seasons.  I have preached that for years here when I have repeatedly urged patience.  But NOT every team goes through stretches where you have one (1) winning season since 2008.  Not many teams go through stretches where the team has lost 12 out of the last 14 games like the Jaguars faced starting last year and continuing this year.  How many times since 2012 have the Jaguars had stretches like that?  How does that compare with other teams?   Furthermore, just because every team goes through a losing stretch, it doesn't make it any easier for competitive players to endure the losing.  Part of what makes Ramsey a great player is his competitiveness.  Why hold that against him when that trait-the burning desire to win-is lauded in every other player in almost every conceivable context?  Finally, other teams having had longer than normal stretches of prolific losing in no way absolves the Jaguars in their errors which result in extending theirs.

Did Ramsey display ideal behavior his last days here?  Absolutely not.  But Yan has and he's not signed either.  Maybe it isn't just Jalen.  Or maybe there is some validity to the criticisms.

Several people have said Ramsey doesn't have the intelligence to play zone because he doesn't understand the concepts involved. That's why he's always out of place in zone.

So... enjoy playing 66% of the time in zone in LA!

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...ag-i-bring


SWAG= Someone who acts gay

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...ag-i-bring


SWAG=  Someone who acts gay

Yikes.

Think of this one all by yourself did ya?

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Rams released video after sweet jalens physical.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/...32192?s=21

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https://twitter.com/jaguarmaven/status/1...55488?s=21

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

https://twitter.com/Stephen82123635/stat...9641635841

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

A behind the scenes look at how the trade went down:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/17/jalen-...-les-snead

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

A behind the scenes look at how the trade went down:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/17/jalen-...-les-snead

LOTS of good inside info in this article concerning this deal. 

Khan seems to have been patient and smart about maximizing value.

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Not really, mostly a regurgitation of Eric1's talking points.

Far from interesting and has been shared already. Its a trash article with half truths. The only fair point they make is resigning Bortles and not just letting his 5th year option determine if we keep him or not. That is literally all they have here. 

1. What was the team to do? Signing guys 2 years before their rookie deal is up isn't the norm.. Ramsey would have gotten paid this off-season, and Shad made that known. These players do realize there is a salary cap, right? 


2. Same with Yan, the reports and rumors are he would have been a top 5 paid DE if he took the deal offered this past off-season, is he playing like a top 5 DE This year(No.)?


3. EVERY team mixes and matches zone and man. Jalen doesn't get to be DC and CB - I hope he enjoys the Rams defense - playing zone. 

4. No team, unless you are the Patriots, and MAYBE the Chiefs with Pat, win every year consistently. Look at the Rams, 3-3, Eagles, 3-3, and Falcons, 1-5. These are your 3 most recent SB teams not named New England. Not one of them have a "winning" record right now and have glaring holes/weaknesses. Lets go back 1 more year, Denver is 2-4 and Carolina is the only winning team on this list NOT named New England at 4-2, which posted record of 17-16 in the 2 years after their Superbowl, including 1 playoff loss in the wild card. 

Winning is hard in the NFL - "I just want to win" is not an excuse, every player does. Its hard to win on a regular basis in the NFL. Teams like the  Brady led Patriots, Or the Manning era Colts, and now the Mahomes era Chiefs, are the exception, not the rule. Talk to guys on the Browns, Dolphins, Jets, or Redskins. At least the Jaguars were in a AFCCG a couple seasons ago, had a chance to win a lot of games last year, and could easily be 3-3 right now. 


Jalen is a me first, diva who lacks any form of accountability. His team was tied for 1st in the AFCS when he decided to quit on his team. Good. Riddance.

Edit: Throw Russel Wilson in there too, guy is a baller and I forgot about the Hawks, very good with him as well.

Apologies for the duplicate post.

Having not read the entirety of the now THIRTY page thread nor seen the article elsewhere when I posted it led to the duplication.

Mea culpa.

Having dispensed with that

1.  Yes...if that's what it takes to keep your best player  happy, doing so does not violate the applicable NFL rules, and causes no harm to the team, then absolutely you sign him then.  Clearly signing him to a new deal wasn't against league rules, as evidenced by players from the same draft class being signed to new deals.  He wanted more money, so it would have likely mollified him for now.  The unknown is whether, from a salary cap perspective, signing him would have caused harm to the team.  What IS known is NOT signing him contributed to his unhappiness here and ultimately led to his trade demand.  What IS known is that we had a highly regarded player in his prime at a premium position and  is now gone.

2.  As for Yan, Yan is homegrown talent, very productive since he has been here, still relatively healthy and in his prime and has represented the Jaguars well in just about every possible scenario, embodying everything Jaguars fans claim to want in a player.  When the team made Norwell the highest paid guard, nobody on the board had a problem with it.  In fact, everyone said the Jaguars have to overpay to get quality free agents and were fine with it.  When the team signed Foles, while there were some who questioned the size of his deal, the overwhelming majority of posters here enthusiastically endorsed the signing.  When the team signed Campbell and Bouye, few had problems with the size of the deals associated with them.  Why the distinction with a guy like Yan, who has been the big play edge rusher this team has lacked going back to Tony freaking Brackens?  If signing an outside player/free agent is required to substantially upgrade a position, I am okay overpaying to a reasonable degree to get the player.  But if you have a young, healthy, in his prime player on your roster where he is at the very top of his position in the league like Ramsey, or at least good enough to where getting a substantial  upgrade on the market isn't likely, then it makes sense to re-sign those players, especially when they are key to the recent resurgence the team had.

3.  Yes, every team DOES mix zone and man.  That is based on several factors.  Now despite the team ranking in the top 5 defenses with this same scheme for several years now, there is no shortage of fans lamenting the lack of creativity and aggressiveness of the scheme on message boards, twitter feeds and call in radio shows all over Jacksonville and around the league.   Certainly you don't seriously assert fans on a message board should have more of an opinion on the game plan than a person tasked with helping to execute it?  Wait a minute...withdraw that last question.  I already know the answer.  Having said that, Ramsey's stance was puzzling on some level, considering he said on Frangie's show that the defenses have to mix up the coverages between man and zone.  Nevertheless, it is well within Ramsey's right to voice input  regarding game planning as any other player, and certainly more than any fan or media hack.  This is true even if it represents a departure from a prior publicly stated position.

4..  It's true that every team has down seasons.  I have preached that for years here when I have repeatedly urged patience.  But NOT every team goes through stretches where you have one (1) winning season since 2008.  Not many teams go through stretches where the team has lost 12 out of the last 14 games like the Jaguars faced starting last year and continuing this year.  How many times since 2012 have the Jaguars had stretches like that?  How does that compare with other teams?   Furthermore, just because every team goes through a losing stretch, it doesn't make it any easier for competitive players to endure the losing.  Part of what makes Ramsey a great player is his competitiveness.  Why hold that against him when that trait-the burning desire to win-is lauded in every other player in almost every conceivable context?  Finally, other teams having had longer than normal stretches of prolific losing in no way absolves the Jaguars in their errors which result in extending theirs.

Did Ramsey display ideal behavior his last days here?  Absolutely not.  But Yan has and he's not signed either.  Maybe it isn't just Jalen.  Or maybe there is some validity to the criticisms.

Saying Ramsey didn't display ideal behavior is kind of an understatement.  Unprofessional at best.  Despicable at worst.  So Coughlin hurt his feelings?  Boo-hoo.  A lot of players these days are soft, and Ramsey might be the softest.  He quit on his teammates and the fans.
As far as Coughlin goes, I think he needs to shut the heck up sometimes too.  Calling out players publicly is a terrible way to conduct oneself at the highest level of management like he's done.  But behind closed doors?  Ramsey deserved to be undressed for his sideline behavior, and needed to get over it instead of going full selfish.

Considering the contract that Jack signed (I was surprised it was as large as it was as soon as it was reported), I have a hard time believing they didn't make Yan a fair offer.  I hope Yan starts to ball out and earns the dollar amount he was after and then some.  So far it's looking like he may have miscalculated.

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Apologies for the duplicate post.

Having not read the entirety of the now THIRTY page thread nor seen the article elsewhere when I posted it led to the duplication.

Mea culpa.

Having dispensed with that

1.  Yes...if that's what it takes to keep your best player  happy, doing so does not violate the applicable NFL rules, and causes no harm to the team, then absolutely you sign him then.  Clearly signing him to a new deal wasn't against league rules, as evidenced by players from the same draft class being signed to new deals.  He wanted more money, so it would have likely mollified him for now.  The unknown is whether, from a salary cap perspective, signing him would have caused harm to the team.  What IS known is NOT signing him contributed to his unhappiness here and ultimately led to his trade demand.  What IS known is that we had a highly regarded player in his prime at a premium position and  is now gone.

2.  As for Yan, Yan is homegrown talent, very productive since he has been here, still relatively healthy and in his prime and has represented the Jaguars well in just about every possible scenario, embodying everything Jaguars fans claim to want in a player.  When the team made Norwell the highest paid guard, nobody on the board had a problem with it.  In fact, everyone said the Jaguars have to overpay to get quality free agents and were fine with it.  When the team signed Foles, while there were some who questioned the size of his deal, the overwhelming majority of posters here enthusiastically endorsed the signing.  When the team signed Campbell and Bouye, few had problems with the size of the deals associated with them.  Why the distinction with a guy like Yan, who has been the big play edge rusher this team has lacked going back to Tony freaking Brackens?  If signing an outside player/free agent is required to substantially upgrade a position, I am okay overpaying to a reasonable degree to get the player.  But if you have a young, healthy, in his prime player on your roster where he is at the very top of his position in the league like Ramsey, or at least good enough to where getting a substantial  upgrade on the market isn't likely, then it makes sense to re-sign those players, especially when they are key to the recent resurgence the team had.

3.  Yes, every team DOES mix zone and man.  That is based on several factors.  Now despite the team ranking in the top 5 defenses with this same scheme for several years now, there is no shortage of fans lamenting the lack of creativity and aggressiveness of the scheme on message boards, twitter feeds and call in radio shows all over Jacksonville and around the league.   Certainly you don't seriously assert fans on a message board should have more of an opinion on the game plan than a person tasked with helping to execute it?  Wait a minute...withdraw that last question.  I already know the answer.  Having said that, Ramsey's stance was puzzling on some level, considering he said on Frangie's show that the defenses have to mix up the coverages between man and zone.  Nevertheless, it is well within Ramsey's right to voice input  regarding game planning as any other player, and certainly more than any fan or media hack.  This is true even if it represents a departure from a prior publicly stated position.

4..  It's true that every team has down seasons.  I have preached that for years here when I have repeatedly urged patience.  But NOT every team goes through stretches where you have one (1) winning season since 2008.  Not many teams go through stretches where the team has lost 12 out of the last 14 games like the Jaguars faced starting last year and continuing this year.  How many times since 2012 have the Jaguars had stretches like that?  How does that compare with other teams?   Furthermore, just because every team goes through a losing stretch, it doesn't make it any easier for competitive players to endure the losing.  Part of what makes Ramsey a great player is his competitiveness.  Why hold that against him when that trait-the burning desire to win-is lauded in every other player in almost every conceivable context?  Finally, other teams having had longer than normal stretches of prolific losing in no way absolves the Jaguars in their errors which result in extending theirs.

Did Ramsey display ideal behavior his last days here?  Absolutely not.  But Yan has and he's not signed either.  Maybe it isn't just Jalen.  Or maybe there is some validity to the criticisms.

Saying Ramsey didn't display ideal behavior is kind of an understatement.  Unprofessional at best.  Despicable at worst.  So Coughlin hurt his feelings?  Boo-hoo.  A lot of players these days are soft, and Ramsey might be the softest.  He quit on his teammates and the fans.
As far as Coughlin goes, I think he needs to shut the heck up sometimes too.  Calling out players publicly is a terrible way to conduct oneself at the highest level of management like he's done.  But behind closed doors?  Ramsey deserved to be undressed for his sideline behavior, and needed to get over it instead of going full selfish.

Considering the contract that Jack signed (I was surprised it was as large as it was as soon as it was reported), I have a hard time believing they didn't make Yan a fair offer.  I hope Yan starts to ball out and earns the dollar amount he was after and then some.  So far it's looking like he may have miscalculated.

If the reports were true back in July the problem with Yannick wasn't the money but the length of the deal. They offered him a short term deal while he was seeking a long term deal. Again, not sure if that's 100% true but it was reported at some point here locally.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Saying Ramsey didn't display ideal behavior is kind of an understatement.  Unprofessional at best.  Despicable at worst.  So Coughlin hurt his feelings?  Boo-hoo.  A lot of players these days are soft, and Ramsey might be the softest.  He quit on his teammates and the fans.
As far as Coughlin goes, I think he needs to shut the heck up sometimes too.  Calling out players publicly is a terrible way to conduct oneself at the highest level of management like he's done.  But behind closed doors?  Ramsey deserved to be undressed for his sideline behavior, and needed to get over it instead of going full selfish.

Considering the contract that Jack signed (I was surprised it was as large as it was as soon as it was reported), I have a hard time believing they didn't make Yan a fair offer.  I hope Yan starts to ball out and earns the dollar amount he was after and then some.  So far it's looking like he may have miscalculated.

If the reports were true back in July the problem with Yannick wasn't the money but the length of the deal. They offered him a short term deal while he was seeking a long term deal. Again, not sure if that's 100% true but it was reported at some point here locally.

Yeah, I never really understood the length of the deal side of things on that front.  They way the team has structured pretty much all of their contracts the past few years, they are able to unload under performing players after 2 years with minimal dead money hits.  Has to be at least a 3 year extension to continue with their current M.O.

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https://twitter.com/Drew_Hicken/status/1...88769?s=20

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They were done with him the second he said he was all about winning.

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If the reports were true back in July the problem with Yannick wasn't the money but the length of the deal. They offered him a short term deal while he was seeking a long term deal. Again, not sure if that's 100% true but it was reported at some point here locally.

Yeah, I never really understood the length of the deal side of things on that front.  They way the team has structured pretty much all of their contracts the past few years, they are able to unload under performing players after 2 years with minimal dead money hits.  Has to be at least a 3 year extension to continue with their current M.O.

And Yan probably didn't want to be unloaded after 2 years if he underperformed.
He bet on himself and I don't blame him for it but it doesn't really look like it'll pay off.

I could see them offering up a deal that is very similar to what they already offered with maybe an extra year on it but it'll still have outs. Its just how they do biz and frankly, I like it. Big money up front, outs to protect the cap after 2-3 years.

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That a great write up of just what goes on in the GMs' offices when something like this is brewing.
I am afraid though that the rams got shafted.....but hey.... Snead and Caldwell are friends.
And yes, the quote from Khan shows he was much more involved than most here gave him credit for.
And he did give JR an out before letting it happen.

A behind the scenes look at how the trade went down:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/17/jalen-...-les-snead

LOTS of good inside info in this article concerning this deal. 

Khan seems to have been patient and smart about maximizing value.

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"Stay tight, stay close. Great things are going to continue to happen for this football team."  - Doug Peterson

A behind the scenes look at how the trade went down:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/17/jalen-...-les-snead

LOTS of good inside info in this article concerning this deal. 

Khan seems to have been patient and smart about maximizing value.

We are incredibly fortunate to have Khan as our owner for a multitude of reasons...

So appreciative.

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A behind the scenes look at how the trade went down:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/17/jalen-...-les-snead

I am on the record as being opposed to the trade.

That said, since they made the decision to trade him, I like the methodical way they went about it, going as far as to do a test run without Ramsey beofre pulling the trigger on the deal.

I also like the insistence of a clean deal.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

A behind the scenes look at how the trade went down:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/17/jalen-...-les-snead

I am on the record as being opposed to the trade.

That said, since they made the decision to trade him, I like the methodical way they went about it, going as far as to do a test run without Ramsey beofre pulling the trigger on the deal.

I also like the insistence of a clean deal.

Anyone with any inkling of football intelligence would be opposed to trading away a transcendental talent like Ramsey away.

However, Ramsey forced the Jaguars hand - as I believe we may not have benefited with such a good return (two 1st rnd picks and a 4th rnd pick). Better to cut ties earlier and hopefully nip the noxious environment out of our team immediately.

I say this as someone who defended Ramsey up until his very last moment until he quit on our team and clearly demonstrated that the crux of the issue was fueled/maintained by him - despite the team, and the freaking owner himself, wanting to make amends.

Khan and co. handled this situation with the utmost professionalism and also provided the Jaguars with the best possible outcome for the foreseeable future and beyond.

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