(10-19-2019, 09:16 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:

(10-19-2019, 07:14 PM)JackCity Wrote: Few disagreements with this. Based on everything we've heard Shad intervened and took ownership of the Jalen trade talks, i.e took it out of Tom's hands. And based on everything we've heard from people with any kind of insight that this isn't the first instance of Tom causing tension among players and stepping outside his role. Getting a warning from the NFLPA is just one example we know about, but others have suggested it's not uncommon. That meeting with Jalen also completely undermines Doug + Coughlin hiding away from the media is pathetic.

Also I think you misread the Shad and Jalen meeting towards the end. That wasn't Jalen playing Shad, that was Shad letting Jalen know they don't believe his back issue and if he doesn't play he's open to loss of money. Shad called Jalens bluff. He played this whole situation very well.

You're taking some liberties with portraying Shad's last attempt with Jalen.  Jalen was the best talent on the roster and one of the best talents in the league and he wanted out.  Of course the owner is going to have the last word.  It doesn't automatically mean he found fault in Coughlin or his handling to that point.  If you've read something or have something that I haven't seen, by all means share it. But as you've written it above, it's just more speculation on something no one but Shad, Coughlin and Jalen know.  And Jalen's not one to hold back.  He had no problem calling out almost every QB in the league a couple of years ago which is kinda unprecedented outside of pro wrestling, boxing and MMA. Has he said specifically what made him want out? "Disrespected" is pretty vague coming from him.  It seems intentionally so.

Coughlin got a warning for stating players should be at voluntary workouts.  It was wrong to say and should have either not been said or stated more tactfully.  If Jalen's reason for wanting out is based in part or in whole on that statement, he's even more emotionally fragile than he's letting on though.

I'm not taking liberties at all, I think you're just underplaying Shads shrewdness in this whole situation. Early on in the ordeal Shad and Tony were on the charm offensive with Jalen but at the end Shad was pretty simply calling his bluff and showing everyone what a fraud he was. I laughed when Rap described that last meeting as a "heart to heart", it was well beyond that stage. 

Also I thought it would have been plainly obvious to everyone by now that is isn't just one situation or incident that made Jalen want to leave but EVERYTHING i.e market, losing, contract, front office , Tom. It wasn't just a snap judgement after mean words from Tom.

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