(11-06-2019, 10:46 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(11-06-2019, 10:36 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: As someone stated earlier, I dont put the losses all on GM.  Foles isnt a step back and isnt a step forward either.  He is basically the guy that, as Queencity said, some fans hope can do what he did in Philly here in jax.  Thats whats mind boggling to me.  Two different teams and situations, yet some ppl believe that doesnt matter.  Unless the line actually blocks better in the passing game and Foles starts lighting it up with 3 seconds or less releases, the only change i see is more boo's from the fans.  That'll be ironic in itself, due to the fact that some want this change and others dont.  In the words of the new generation, i want them to keep this same energy if the wheels fall off.

It's not that "it doesn't matter" - it's that some of us feel enough confidence in formulating our own opinions about a player's strengths and weaknesses beyond the players he's surrounded by. 

If people were unable to make these judgements no one would ever sign a free agent from a better team. Yet it happens in abundance every season. 

You are just obstinately refusing to make a judgement on what Foles may be capable of in the Jags offense while nearly everyone else has some idea in mind, right or wrong.

I feel that Foles is the type of QB that needs elite players and a tailored offense around him to be successful.  Thats the opinion i've formulated and i have not seen that with this offense yet.  We have players on the rise and dominating with the emergence of Minshew but seeing that with Foles is still TBD.  I understand that you have your opinion that he will be just fine and feel that his strengths are just his fruits reaped from great work ethic, experience, and God given abilities.  We differentiate on that and its fine.  I feel he is average and not the near elite QB that you can plug and play on different teams and see the same type of results.  Time will tell and feel free to blast me if im wrong.

(11-06-2019, 11:02 AM)Kane Wrote:

(11-06-2019, 10:36 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: As someone stated earlier, I dont put the losses all on GM.  Foles isnt a step back and isnt a step forward either.  He is basically the guy that, as Queencity said, some fans hope can do what he did in Philly here in jax.  Thats whats mind boggling to me.  Two different teams and situations, yet some ppl believe that doesnt matter.  Unless the line actually blocks better in the passing game and Foles starts lighting it up with 3 seconds or less releases, the only change i see is more boo's from the fans.  That'll be ironic in itself, due to the fact that some want this change and others dont.  In the words of the new generation, i want them to keep this same energy if the wheels fall off.

I don't put it all on GM either. Don't get me wrong. I think he is our dude of the future. I just don't think he's quite ready yet.
I don't expect Foles to have a giant impact either to be honest, I just want to pump the brakes slightly on the Mania. Gardner Minshew played well for a rookie... but wasn't playing well enough to not try to go back to Foles, who was initially supposed to be the starter for 2 seasons.

I wouldn't be mad if they stuck with Minshew, but I totally understand why they made a change. Had Minshew went to London and lit the tinhorns terrible secondary up, the change wouldn't have been made (I don't care what Doug says)
And it wasn't totally on Minshew, but there have been spots where you can clearly see he is hesitant or reluctant or missing an open guy and the staff thinks the veteran won't miss those throws.

We shall see.

Also: our pass protection hasn't been as bad as some fans want to claim.
We're 14th in sacks allowed and at least 4-5 of those are on Minshew

True and that's why im more understanding of the move to go back to Foles.  Id rather let GM develop and just sit Foles but my job isnt the one on the line.  You pay him, you play him.  Thats the bottom line and i just hope im wrong due to wanting my/our team to be successful.  If im right then oh well.

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