(12-17-2019, 05:47 PM)MikePete54 Wrote:

(12-17-2019, 03:04 PM)NCJag Wrote: You know. Benjamin Disraeli said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."

The Giants game:  That was more the defenses forcing 2 turnovers for TDs and the Giants just going goofy, although Blake did keep it alive for two scrambles to kick the game winner.  He sure as hell didn't do it with his arm.

The Baltimore game:  Did BORTLES lead that comeback? Even the league admitted the erred on that, saying they should've flagged for a false start. Bortles ran around like an idiot, tripped, and then Dumervil GIFTED 15 free yards and a free play for Myers of all people to kick us to the win.

The Bills game: The defense staked the team to a 27-3 lead and led 27-13 at half time and did NOTHING after the half. Blake threw a pick 6 which required some sort of heroics to even HAVE a game winning drive. This should've been gift wrapped as the Bills started E.J. Manuel that game over Tyrod Taylor who was nursing an injury.

The Bears game: Gotta hand this one to a more heads up play on Benn than Blake.  Arrelious slid into the catch then realized no one touched him, and got up and sprinted untouched into the end zone. Blake was also strip sacked on the Jags 28 late in the fourth when they were trying to drive.

The Chargers game: the game it seems NO ONE wanted to win. Bortles did everything in his POWER to lose this game. My personal favorite: late in the fourth, Bortles throws a pic. First play on offense, Ekeler fumbles and Gip LOOKS like he runs the recover back and scores.  Nope.  Phantom "Down by contact". 3 plays later, Bort throws ANOTHER pic. Somehow, someway, even though he did everything he COULD to lose this game, he gets credit for a Game Winning Drive....even though Bouye sealed it with the OT pic and Lambo drilled the game winner.

The guy did this year in and year out for FIVE YEARS.  Minshew has been here one year.  He's already got three 4th Qtr/GWD (Den/Cincy/Oak) where's he's thrown for 5TDs/0 Picks/ averaging about a 95 rating, scrambled for 75 yards in those games. In those games, he's putting the ball in the receivers hands IN THE END ZONE.  The Denver scramble for Armstead was amazing. HE kept that play alive, looking.  He's not making mistakes.  He's not relying on the other team to GIFT an opportunity to have a game winner (but, thanks Baltimore).  If you look at the games I mentioned above (FIVE games): Blake had 7TDs/5 Picks/averaged a 74 rating and scrambled for 125 yards. Sure, it's too soon to anoint Gardner as THE ONE, but my GOD....he gives us a chance to WIN.

Can you at least read ? I  was saying "I'm not comparing Bortles to Minshew"...but nice try.

Can we also find excuses for the Minshew game winning drives like you did for Bortles ? 

Bengals : congratulations, a win against the worst team in the NFL is quite a feat...15/32, rating 84, and 6 points at halftime. We were down 9-10 at the start of the 4th. He throw a pass to Conley for 10 yards, but Conley ran for 35 yards after the catch...
Then Myles Jack gets an INT. Minshew is almost intercepted on 3th and 7. It's a 3 and out...
Then Yannick gets a pick 6. Score is 24-10. 
Not sure how you can say that Minshew was having a winning drive on this one...

Raiders : thanks to the refs. Carr was down and the clock should have not been stopped at 2:05.
Then the kicker miss a FG.
And if you watch the last drive, the whole Raiders secondary was 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage. The Conley slant route was a great example. He was WIDE OPEN at the 35 yards line and ran for 15 yards after the catch. Then you have Dion Jordan doing was he does the best : a mistake. flag, gain of 10 yards. Thanks Dion. The TD pass was great though.

Denver : well, the last drive was great, with some very good throws. But I see that you like to say that Bortles didn't throw a lot of TD passes in his game winning drives. Remember that Lambo drilled the game winner Vs Denver right ? 

The chart about BB winning drives was because someone said " I can't recall Bortles ever having a game where he led us on a comeback in the 4th quarter from being down and out ". 
Even Gabbert has 7 GWD, Geno Smith 7, Chad Henne 5 ! It doesn't mean they are great QBs.

I like Minshew, don't get me wrong. But this fan base is so desperate to have a good QB after the Gabbert and Bortles experiments, that any average QB that can throw a football is welcomed has a Franchise QB.