(12-18-2019, 09:09 PM)TJBender Wrote:

(12-18-2019, 09:00 PM)EricC85 Wrote: By what measure is he average? He was here long before Coughlin and we where still a trash team with a trash roster. They caught some great breaks and made a run one year but the fact that same roster was worthless by week three the following year is evidence this roster is garbage.

He missed on Joeckel, but that was such a bad draft class that almost everyone had Fisher/Joeckel as 1/2. He missed on Bortles, but not a Gabbert-level miss. Bortles did get us to the AFCCG, FWIW. Otherwise, his first rounders haven't been half bad. Fowler maybe a little underwhelming, but he was stepping up his game when he was offloaded. Ramsey landed us two first round picks and a fourth, Fournette's come into his own, Bryan's showing signs and Allen is a machine.

You go deeper and start getting into guys like Linder, A-Rob, Telvin, Yan, Westbrook, the list goes on. He's found lots of solid depth and capable starters in the middle rounds, and then there's this dude that cuts his own jorts when he isn't heaving it downfield...

As GMs go, that's not too bad. His FA signings are more miss (J. Thomas, Norwell) than hit (Calais, Bouye), but I think that's really the norm these days. Smart teams know that you find your starters in the draft and patch via UFA, because with all the measures teams have in place for keeping a guy from leaving, if someone's hitting free agency, a smart GM would ask why.

The Fournette pick set the franchise back 10 years if you are giving Caldwell credit for it

Its still really weird to me how people selectively choose what Tom and Dave did based on who they wanna prop up. People want to say the roster isn't that good because of Tom while also saying Caldwell gets credit for all picks and FAs made since he was hired? The oline has been awful every year bar one with Caldwell as GM, the QB position has been messed up every year bar 1 or 2 with Dave as GM.

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