(12-30-2019, 05:05 PM)Caldrac Wrote:

(12-30-2019, 04:59 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: I've said several times neither is elite, neither deserves a giant deal, but Fowler is better.

Ngakoue doesn't get nearly as much attention as you people say. He is not elite, he is not an All Pro.

Fowler is not better. That's the majority of the arguments being made here. Fowler has Donald and a more aggressive coordinator in Phillips to take advantage of his skill set and yet he only showed up heavily against weak teams and dissapeared five straight weeks.

Ngakoue demands more attention than Fowler. Doesn't take too much digging around to figure that all out. The idea that he's not elite says otherwise when he's right up there with Donald and Mack in terms of consistently registering a QB pressure.

If that's not elite then define it for us? Stop being lazy. That's all people are saying. Do I think he deserves blockbuster money? No. But I think he should be paid in that top four to eight range as he's proven to be consistent.

Khan was willing to make Ramsey filthy rich publicly. He should be smart enough to see that Ngakoue deserves a good amount based on his efforts and lockeroom presence.

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That was one year, last year.

Again, do pressures end plays? how many sacks did Ngakoue get last year? how many this year? against who? Yeah, sorry but Fowler is better, not to mention (yet again) Ngakoue has been awful at times vs the run. 

You act like Donald just takes out Fowler's guy and lets Dante get the sack... please.

I am done here, Dante (and Yannick actually) proved I am right.

He isn't, never will be elite. He is no Cam Jordan, he is no Chandler Jones, Joey Bosa, he is nowhere near JJ Watt's level (or even TJs), there is a reason why the guy finished tied #33 in sacks (lol) he is a guy who is good, that's it.

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(12-30-2019, 05:14 PM)Firesky Wrote:

(12-30-2019, 04:45 PM)Caldrac Wrote: I don't know how you structure his deal. I think he's a top 10 pass rusher for sure.

If the argument is that "Well, he's feasted on weak teams". My question for you would be.

What about J.J Watt then? Is he overrated? Because he probably owes Jacksonville a thank you with probably more than 35% of his career sacks coming against us twice a year.

I think deal wise. He should be in that 4 - 7 range. Maybe front load it early and then back load it with incentives and bonuses based on statistics.

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Smoot doesn't demand the attention of Ngakoue. This is my biggest gripe with you regarding Ngakoue.

How often does Smoot see a guard kick outside or pinch inside to chip him? How often does Smoot deal with an inline blocker from the tight end position?

You keep hyping up Fowler. And that's fine. But we all know that the big dog out in L.A is Aaron Donald. And it's a guarantee that he's eating up two blocks at the minimum.

Thus giving him more one on one opportunities. Who else is out there? Suh? He's not in his prime anymore but he's still a handful at times and has to be accounted for based on weekly match up's.

You also want to talk about feasting on weak teams? Did Fowler get ANY sacks against Arizona this year? Because that's easily one of the worst offensive lines right now.

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The year Watt put up 20.5 sacks, 14 of those came against the AFC South. That's to say us, the colts who had no oline for years, and the Titans who were bottom feeders at the time as Lewan & Conklin hadn't been drafted. You can't control who's on your schedule, just beat who's in front of you and tally the marks in the columns.

Ok, so in the end Fowler>>>>> Yannick

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