(02-05-2020, 04:02 PM)Kane Wrote:

(02-05-2020, 11:52 AM)Upper Wrote: Man y'all are insane, Luck was great. Just look at all of the triple digits in his rate+ stats despite having some of the worst surrounding talent in the league. He won 11 games in each of his first 3 seasons despite having one of the least talented rosters, and other than the season he tried to play through his labrum tear never had a losing season.

I get the natural bias to knock players on rival teams, but this one is vastly missing the mark.

No one is saying he sucked.
He was just upsold pre draft as a franchise changing, 15 year, next big thing at QB. The next "Manning, Brady, whatever"

And he wasn't. He wasn't anything better than a number of other middling franchise QBs. (He's closer to Philip Rivers or Eli, than Manning or Brady) He had a penchant for throwing a lot of INTs and overall wasn't great in the playoffs.
Did he have an all-star OL? no. Most QBs don't. But he didn't elevate his team and had Reggie Wayne for his first few and TY Hilton his entire career. He had a better roster than the majority of AFCS squads during his time (and racked up most of his wins versus those bad teams)

First overall pick turned in less than a decade of a career and 4 playoff wins. And very good but not really great stats honestly.


Not saying the guy was bad. Just never bought the hype and certainly ain't buying it now. He was good but it isn't insane to say that he wasn't what he was supposed to be or what everyone thought he would be.

It isn't a bias thing.
Watson, very good, proved me wrong after only 2 seasons... thought he was being oversold.
Hopkins, top 3 WR in the league his entire career....
Henry is a beast...

I got no problem giving credit to rivals when it is due...