(04-24-2020, 02:59 PM)Bullseye Wrote:

(04-24-2020, 02:44 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: I agree with all you said, and it may be a result of not having enough good players.  It's a "bad team" problem - no one wants to stick around.  I think what you said about middle tier players is true, but that's really because, hey, those ARE our best players.

We have attempted to keep what we thought were good players, and then, suddenly, they weren't that good (thinking Bortles, Garrard).  Didn't Poz retire as a Jag?  He was probably better than middle tier.  Calais was age related, Ramsey was a punk, and we ARE actively trying to pay Ngakoue.  Allen Robinson was a good player that left not because of compensation or lack of respect, he just wanted a shot on what he felt was a better team.  And then there's the short, crazy Jaguar career of Nick Foles.

In the past 10 years, which Jag that walked in free agency or got cut would you have re-signed?  MJD? Mathis? Campbell? I'm all about keeping a solid core of high character people, but it's hard under the best of circumstances.

Certainly Allen Robinson could have helped this team as far as free agents.  If money was a driving factor in Ramsey's discontent here, I would have extended him before he became a problem, as with Yan.

But if it were simply a "bad team" problem, then that paradigm makes it virtually impossible to transition into a good team, because you can never really accumulate talent.  You are always trying replacing the good talent you allowed to leave, to say nothing about upgrading other position.  This desribes "drafting on a treadmill" to a tee.

Now if I could go back a little further than ten years and include trades, I might have included Marcus Stroud, who wound up playing well for Buffahole after he left here.

Bottom line is we need to do a better job in player retention.

Fantasticly put Bullseye. That is exactly my problem. Never being able to build and continually inprove the roster, so many times we have to replace whats walked out the door.

To BlueEyedJag, im not faulting Caldwell for letting what talent leave when he started, it was a whole new project. It was exciting. My point was more we had what we thought was our O set and its not Caldwell's fault they didn't work out but then add the 2017 D to that and how many have made it to 2nd contracts?

Myles, Bortles, Hurns only played one year on it, Telvin the same. Linder, Lee. I may have missed some but theres not been many for such a long span. Thats why i dont get the obsession with taking draft picks for talent. I understand thpugh the Ramsey situation was tough. This also feeds into Bullseye's point about player retention.

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