(06-19-2020, 04:58 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(06-19-2020, 11:15 AM)mikesez Wrote: Even if Jackson did more bad things than Lee did, the fact that Jackson also did good things for the country means I have little problem with his name being on cities and his statue being on public land.
Lee didn't do anything good for the US.  Jackson did.
I also hesitate to call the man a "genocidal maniac" as he adopted an abandoned native boy and raised him to adulthood.  

Now, if there is ever a groundswell of support to remove those statues of Jackson and change the names of cities, I'll stand aside.  I don't care that much.  I think its outrageous we have things named after Lee.  I'm neutral about things named after Jackson.

You really need to learn history sometime.

To your point that "Lee didn't do anything good for the US".  You are saying that his accomplishments prior to the Civil War wasn't good for the U.S.?  The fact that he was against secession both prior to and after the Civil War isn't a good thing?  The fact that he supported reconciliation between North and South and accepted "the extinction of slavery" is a bad thing?  Yes he was not for equal rights and was against letting black people voting back then, but consider his reasoning.  Back then black people were not "educated" and that's what he was saying in the very quote from your Wikipedia page.

Quote:Lee forthrightly opposed allowing blacks to vote: "My own opinion is that, at this time, they [black Southerners] cannot vote intelligently, and that giving them the [vote] would lead to a great deal of demagogism, and lead to embarrassments in various ways."[

Then you say that "even if Jackson did more bad things than Lee did... blah, blah, blah".  It doesn't seem to matter to you that he was a slave owner of nearly 200 slaves.  He owned a cotton plantation in Tennessee.  He was hesitant for the annexation of Texas because he was afraid that it would increase the cause of the abolitionist movement (you know, ridding slavery) which he strongly opposed.  He signed the Indian Removal Act which displaced and killed many Native Americans (in my opinion almost more cruel than the slavery that he supported).

You said that Andrew Jackson did good things for the U.S. care to name them?

You also never answered my previous question.  If Andrew Jackson was alive during the Civil War, which side would he have chosen and why?

You're going to think that I'm just incensed and emotional when you read the following cliche words, but please know that I'm speaking directly regarding your intellect and ability to connect ideas:
You have no right to speak to me that way.

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(06-19-2020, 05:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Just let him hang himself, so we can use this against him when he is on the side of renaming Jacksonville (when that time inevitably comes).

Everyone is just a wooden actor in the play you made up about a constant battle between good people and socialists.
You'll find a way to shoehorn me some way or the other.

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