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Default Training Camp Thread 2020

(This post was last modified: 08-27-2020, 12:22 PM by Firesky.)

(08-26-2020, 11:37 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(08-26-2020, 11:05 PM)Firesky Wrote: Learning how to be physical can be taught; if you remember even Ramsey struggled against the bigger more physical receivers his rookie year (Alshon Jeffrey in the first half of the Bears game abused him; but he made adjustments and had a game sealing play) it wasn't until Ramsey's 2nd year that he was more of a complete player and could cover receivers of all types.

The drill where Henderson got beat (1 on 1 offball with no passrush) is heavily skewed/favored for the offense. The same drill in TC back in 2017 Allen Robinson beat Ramsey a few times, but idt anyone thinks that factoring in a pass rush, press coverage being allowed, and the existence of safeties in an actual game that Robinson would consistently beat Ramsey or that Cole would consistently beat Henderson.

To OlineMatters point about his tackling, CB is the one position on defense that being a stellar tackler isn't a necessity, Rashean Mathis was a below average tackler all things considered but was a truly fantastic corner for us for a decade. Tackling can be taught, and I would venture to guess that a lot of surefire 1st round picks on teams without NC aspirations aren't all that zealous about throwing themselves into the fray knowing an injury could cost them draft spots and a significant amount of $$$. I agree that his tackling isn't amazing but it's the one "wart" in his game that's entirely teachable. I think the backend of the top 10 was a perfect spot to take him.

I think we'll be pleased with Henderson's development by the end of the year. When I look at him I see a young Rashean Mathis and i'll take that every time, looking forward to him covering TY Hilton week 1

Rashean Mathis was at least a willing tackler though. Henderson seems to try and shy away from contact in the games I saw. As far as teaching tackling, yes, it can be taught, but look at our 2019 team. As a team, our tackling was atrocious! It was by far, our weakest area. We had missed tackles, right and left in every game. It was ridiculous! Do you trust our current coaching staff to improve this kid's tackling? I certainly don't. By the looks of what I saw from our team last season, I don't even know if they teach the basics of tackling. Maybe if we get some competent coaching, Henderson can improve his tackling. At least I hope he can, but we'll have to wait until at least 2021 to see if that is the case.

I think in the NFL he'll be a willing tackler. His last year at UF (Junior) he battled an ankle injury which may have played a role, especially not wanting to aggravate it and cost him draft position/money. Almost every scouting report and draft profile on him said some version of these sentiments:

"As a junior, his tendencies were completely flipped as a tackler. After showing plenty of interest in the physical portions of the game during his first two seasons, he looked completely disinterested in tackling in 2019"

The tape from his first 2 seasons shows a more physical player and a WILLING tackler. It's not that he "can't" do it since he put it on film during his Sophomore year. I think (rightly or wrongly) that given that he was playing on a hurt ankle at less than 100% that he didn't want to do anything that would cost him long term knowing he was declaring for the draft.

As far as the coaching staff and being able to teach them, I don't know enough about Tim Walton (1st year DB coach) to tell; i'm not overly thrilled with the coaching staff, especially Wash, who should've been shown the door long ago. But I really think bad tackling is an epidemic across the league and stems from the new CBA putting severe limits on padded practices and how much contact you can have. 

Tackling aside, CJ Henderson has all the athletic traits you look for and in college the kid could cover the best Wideouts in the NCAA. I think he has a high celing and there's a lot to like but I understand your concerns, and I totally understand wanting an OT in the top 10 as I agree the team didn't do enough to address it this offseason.

Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
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Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Bullseye - 08-14-2020, 05:43 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Dimson - 08-19-2020, 11:37 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by mal234 - 08-20-2020, 04:25 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Eric1 - 08-20-2020, 05:44 PM
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RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by mal234 - 08-20-2020, 11:09 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Eric1 - 08-21-2020, 05:45 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Upper - 08-21-2020, 05:03 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Brett - 08-21-2020, 05:45 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Eric1 - 08-21-2020, 06:02 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Eric1 - 08-21-2020, 06:07 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Eric1 - 08-21-2020, 06:18 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Eric1 - 08-21-2020, 06:24 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Upper - 08-22-2020, 10:13 AM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Newton - 08-22-2020, 11:00 AM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by mal234 - 08-22-2020, 03:12 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by uthill - 08-22-2020, 05:53 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Upper - 08-24-2020, 11:34 AM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Kane - 08-24-2020, 03:40 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Kane - 08-26-2020, 12:41 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by mal234 - 08-24-2020, 01:59 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Eric1 - 08-24-2020, 11:37 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Upper - 08-24-2020, 04:44 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by mal234 - 08-24-2020, 08:59 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Upper - 08-25-2020, 09:38 AM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by RicoTx - 08-25-2020, 09:58 AM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Upper - 08-25-2020, 02:22 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Eric1 - 08-25-2020, 05:17 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by uthill - 08-25-2020, 06:21 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Eric1 - 08-25-2020, 10:00 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Upper - 08-26-2020, 11:29 AM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Newton - 08-26-2020, 11:45 AM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by mal234 - 08-26-2020, 01:43 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by mal234 - 08-26-2020, 08:31 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Firesky - 08-27-2020, 12:21 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Newton - 08-26-2020, 11:14 PM
RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by mal234 - 08-27-2020, 03:44 PM
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RE: Default Training Camp Thread 2020 - by Eric1 - 09-02-2020, 09:50 PM
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