(09-10-2020, 11:30 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(09-09-2020, 08:03 PM)p_rushing Wrote: Do people on the right want to destroy the environment? No, if you talk to most people on the right they enjoy the outdoors. Most of them protect the environment that they control. Heck look at the ground after a left protest vs the ground after a right gathering, you will see garbage everywhere vs garbage in trash cans. People hunt, fish, camp, hike, etc. What the right doesn't want to do is do like the west coast and say you can't do anything and have to let the environment take over and you have constant fire danger, can't build anything even though you follow safety standards, etc.

Environmental policy is very complicated.  I agree that most conservatives I have met enjoy "The great outdoors" and wouldn't want oil rigs or open pit mines ruining their favorite campsites, beaches, hunting grounds, etc.

But consider the Jacksonville shipyards. I think everyone here would like to see them become something nice. Why isn't it happening? Well, back when it was still a shipyard, there was a lack of oversight, and a lot of toxic stuff got buried there. So yes, there were good paying jobs for a while, but at what cost?  Should they have had tighter regulation decades ago when the shipyards were operating, or should the EPA have looser regulations today? Should they allow that site to be redeveloped without the costly process of assessing and removing the bad stuff, potentially letting whoever occupies it or works on it next to be exposed to it all?

There are a lot of cases like this.  The sugar farms on the Everglades would be another. Their pollution makes the beaches around Port St Lucie and also around cape Coral, a lot less desirable.  Who should pay for that to be corrected?

Mark the date and time down.  I somewhat agree with you.

Have mistakes been made with some industries in the past?  Absolutely.  There are plenty of areas that are contaminated from past industry/dumping/testing.  However, back when many of these sites were doing the damage it was pretty much unknown (for the most part).

Is there a need for regulation?  Yes.  However, there can also be over-regulation that can be just as damaging.  Take for example the wildfires in California.  The lack of prescribed burning is a big contributor to what is happening now.

(09-10-2020, 01:35 PM)MojoKing Wrote: regarding the environment, my main problem is that there are people that DENY climate change is real. This is dangerous and counterproductive to our advancement as a species. The planet is going to be fine, we and many of our animal friends are going to die. Look at California right now, or Australia last year, this is only going to get worse.

Man-made climate change is a hoax.

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