(09-30-2020, 10:51 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

(09-30-2020, 10:25 AM)Kane Wrote: I disagree. His rookie year (and even his final college season) I didn't see a good QB at all.
Canon arm, inaccurate, couldn't read a defense, one read and run the ball.

Jamarcus Russel was another QB with a canon arm, he was trash and never worked to get better. Only got fatter.
He was trash, and stayed that way.
Allen was trash and worked to get better. Premature hyperbole? Nah man, we see top 10 QBs come in and look the part right away all the time, even if they have some rookie QB issues to work through.
I guess if you have an issue with the analogy of "trash" that's fine. He wasn't good. He was down right bad.
Kinda like Bortles, some would say he was trash. He worked at it... probably became slight better than trash but never really good.

I don't know why it has to be a problem for people to have an opinion about the play of a player and then that player improve and all of a sudden the 3 year old opinion is somehow not valid.
If I was saying he's still trash I mean, that would be disingenuous sure.
And I still think digging up old threads to bump some I told you so nonsense is petty. I wouldn't dig it up had he not improved to be like "Where all the Allen lovers now?!" lol It's silly.

I think if you're drafting a QB in the top 10 he should be good before year 3 really. And really, we're 3 games into his year 3 so let's not crown him anything yet.
But as I said... he worked and got better. That's good for him and for the Bills.
People pretending like they knew all along he was gonna be some great QB is laughable. Because after his rookie year, it didn't look good at all. (52% comp, 10/12 TD/INT) Was also sub 60% his 2nd year, though he did improve his TD to INT ratio. There were plenty of folks loving them some Sam Darnold... and he hasn't gotten better at all.
But Kyler Murray looked good as a rookie. Hell, even Minshew as a 6th rounder looked good at times, though jury is still out whether he'll truly be a long term fixture. Watson another QB looked better early.

If i draft a QB im not drafting one for who will be the best their rookie year, i want the one who i feel will have the best career.  He had a typical rookie year as a QB and had one of the worst offenses around him.  Some QBs whe drafted are in a better position to suceed with weapons/ a good iline and coaches etc., he had no weapons.  He has improved each year which is exactly what you want and expect out of your QB.  This is why this thread was made btw.

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...ht=Jackson

I get that and that's fine.

But as a rookie, it didn't even look like he was going to develop. Most times a first rounder, especially a top ten guy, comes in and shows more flashes or has "moments". Allen offered almost nothing of the sort as a rookie.

Even last year, while improved, he was less than impressive most games. This year he's started out very good.
I get that he didn't have star weapons but he's had a very good defense to lean on for his entire time. Darnold hasn't been given much, are we giving him a pass in year 3 or until they give him a Stefon Diggs type WR? 
Yes Jackson certainly has had more around him, I've been very critical and skeptical of his being crowned the next big thing too. He didn't look great vs KC the other night and I still think they rely on his legs too much. And some guys get crap to work with, like Darnold. And some guys are given better situations, like Mahomes (who also got to sit his rookie year).

If THIS version of Allen was coming out of college, I would have been much more inclined to like the hype. It wasn't though, so I think the criticism was still warranted back then.

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