(11-26-2020, 10:08 PM)Bullseye Wrote:

(11-23-2020, 04:57 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: It would take A LOT to trade up even one spot to get Lawrence and there is no way we should pull off such a move. This team is deficient at almost every position and giving away draft capital is not the way to build a team. Cincinnati drafted Joe Burrow last season, but they neglected to given him an offensive line. For years they have ignored the O-Line and Burrow was hit more than any QB in the NFL. Now, he's out for the season with a torn ACL. What good was drafting a franchise QB when you have no O-line to keep him upright. Now, the Bengals will be without him this season and in many cases, it takes a player another full season to fully get over the injury. When he does return, he will likely not be the same player he was before the injury until at least 2022. I don't wanna build things that way. We need to take truly elite players when we have the chance. If Lawrence is off the board, we have to take OT Penei Sewell. Robinson is not the answer at LT and other than Eichenberg of Notre Dame, this class of OT's is largely filled with projects. Free agency is pretty much barren as well. We should keep the draft picks, because as many picks as we have, we have even more needs.

For some perspective as to how much it might cost, here are terms of a few trades up into the top 5 for QBs....

https://www.12up.com/posts/revisiting-ch...e5xmgda4qt

This details the 1998 trade where the Chargers moved up one spot from 3 to 2 to get in position to select Ryan Leaf.

"In 2001, the Falcons had the No. 5 pick in the NFL draft, but they stunned the NFL world by trading up with the Chargers to acquire the No. 1 overall selection. Atlanta sent its first- and third-round picks and a 2002 second-round draft pick to San Diego in order to select Virginia Tech quarterback Michael Vick."  That was a move up of four spots...

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/21/this-d...ck-falcons

Here is another trade in 2004 involving the Chargers.  Here, Eli Manning forced the deal, being unwilling to play for the Chargers. who had the #1 overall pick.

Here were the terms of the trade:

Chargers send Eli Manning to the Giants.
The Giants send Phillip Rivers
The Giants 2004 3rd round pick
The Giants 2005 first round pick
and The Giants 2005 fifth round pick


More recently-2012 to be specific, to move from 6-2, the Washington Football team sent 3 first round picks and a 2nd to the Rams to get RGIII.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/7668...louis-rams

Lastly, in 2018, the Jets traded up from the 6th overall pick to #3..."

"The short story: The Jets gave up a good amount to move up and draft their quarterback of the future, Sam Darnold. To swap ones, the Jets sent to Indianapolis two second-round picks last year, Nos. 37 and 49, and a second-rounder this year, which figures to be No. 34."

https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/looking...am-darnold

Now these samples do not represent the entirety of first round top 5 trades for QBs.  However, they give some indicia that, while likely costly, a trade up with the jets to move up one spot may not be as catastrophically expensive as some fear, especially considering we have lots of ammunition this year and we are only one pick below the Jets.

As long as the price is better than, or at least comparable to the trades above, aside from what Washington paid to move up to get RG III, I would pay the price without hesitation if it means us ending up with Trevor Lawrence.

Great post with a ton of details.  I agree with you that moving up will come at a stiff price, but not as much as many seem to think.  It appears in those trades you referenced, the more desperate teams were to move up (as indicated by giving up more draft capital) the worse their decisions were.  I hope we have a level-headed GM hired in January that will be able to place a true value on what Lawrence is worth, decide the maximum price he is willing pay to trade for him, but also has the poise to walk away if that price exceeds the perceived value.  One thing is clear... the decisions we make in this 2021 off-season will be critical for the next 5-10 YEARS, so we HAVE TO get rid of Caldwell on Black Monday.  We CANNOT have a lame duck GM on a one-year deal who will only be looking for short-term results so he can get a new contract be making decisions that will effect this organization for the next decade and miss a franchise changing opportunity.

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