(12-08-2020, 03:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: (12-08-2020, 12:27 PM)Kane Wrote: I wasn't determining a player's potential. I was determining the player as he was. His rookie year was NOT good.
He even admitted as much in his interview last night. Year one: one read and run kind of guy.
He went to work on his craft and is very good in year 3. Good for him. Had he not worked on his craft he'd still be a sub 60% comp, one read QB.
How are looking at comp % and TD:INT ratio the wrong stats? Those are the ones that matter the most for QBs imo.
When we talk about QBs in the draft we're often talking about the QB that is. Not the QB that they could be because really so much goes into what a QB could become in the NFL. Given the right coaching and training a lot of QBs COULD get better and develop. Many do not, especially here. When we talk about Lawrence and Fields and Wilson and Trask... we're ranking them based on what we've currently seen.
The QB coming out of Wyoming is not the QB we see today. Not sure why everyone feels the need to dig up old threads to give themselves pats on the back. It's so funny that so many people seek such validation on a message board.
Find me saying "the kid will never be good" and I'll admit you "got me".
I didn't see him as a top 10 QB. And I didn't think he was good as a rookie. These "where are all the haters now" threads are laughable. It isn't being a hater being critical of a QBs shortcomings. Haters are people that "hate" on the QB or player even after they're good. I'm giving the kid his dues now that he's earned them. Far different.
The talk about evaluating the player's potential instead of his rookie year performance shouldn't really need to be explained.
You can look at the majority of NFL QB's rookie years and say they sucked.
As far as rehashing old threads, why bother posting 40 times in various predraft threads about these guys if we're just going to then ignore their actual careers and our various prognostications????
It's part of the deal on this and other boards.
I'm wrong on at least half of the players I prop up pre draft. Folks can drag me for it all they want.
I just don't tend to run about bad mouthing the players I don't prefer to draft very often.
(Fournette is the last time I did so - though I expressed doubt in Deshaun Watson as well)
LOTS of folks had a field day dragging Allen through the mud pre-draft, and that's why myself and others enjoy furthering the discussion.
Need to be explained? No one was talking about Allen pre draft like he could "someday be great" people were hyping him up because of his size and arm strength. Which we've seen before fail guys who don't hone their craft. Sorry not buying the whole notion that we're always talking about potential vs how good they are coming into the league. At least I'm certainly not. If you're drafting a guy top 10, he should be ready to come in and be good right away. Not on a good team seeing as they are picking top 10, so likely that won't be wins and losses really but QB performance. His QB performance wasn't good right away. It just wasn't. He was a low comp % high turnover running QB.
Why bother posting in threads if not to rehash it (when convenient) years down the road? I dunno... to kill time? For general discussion purposes as it pertains to the team and the upcoming draft at the time... I mean, are we building future GM resumes based of the poo we flung at the message board wall back in 2018? Cuz man... if I had known we were being quizzed on who would be right 3 years later I might have studied more "film"
And I can't speak for everyone "draggin Allen through the mud" but I think most of the naysayers would point to low comp %, low YPA, and level of competition as big reasons for doubt. Calling him "trash" came after the Ramsey article which based on his rookie year, seemed legit.
It's like a guy can't play like garbage and then get better. It's like "he was always great, you just didn't give him time". Nah, he wasn't very good and got better. Because of his physical ability, i.e. arm strength and mobility, when he worked on being a better QB he became a better QB. But the rookie Allen wasn't good, the kid coming from Wyoming where he didn't have very good stats against meh competition, wasn't good. Whatever noun or adjective makes you feel better about it, use it my dude... trash, not good, lackluster, mediocre.
Hindsight is a beautiful thing but if Josh Allen was our QB would he be the QB we saw Monday night? No one knows though likely not. He didn't just get better he worked with people in the off season, kinda like how Bortles TRIED to do. Therefore all the people that were in love with him pre draft wouldn't have been "proven right" necessarily.
