(12-16-2020, 10:05 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(12-15-2020, 09:02 PM)KodiakJag Wrote: So, you're saying that if we stop posting negative things about Trump his supporters on this board (you included) will admit that he lost fair and square?

Deal!

I'll keep up my end of the bargain, and won't post anything negative concerning your guy starting right now, and I'll be waiting for you to "own" it.

For the record, I do not think you are dumb like me but I do not share your support for DT.

No, Americus, I am talking to Kodiak, and everyone else that wants to casually dismiss what happened in this election. I don't really think they are dumb, and almost didn't post it, but the bootstrap conservatives are pissing me off. You are not going to be able to just roll up your sleeves and overcome this. I know many intelligent people who are more afraid of the word "conspiracy" than they are of an actual threat to our institutions. I really don't think people understand what we are up against. People who think Dems cheated are not anything like flat earthers, and it's ridiculous and brainless to make those kinds of comparisons. Dems have every reason to cheat. The elections are not transparent. The media is complicit in the corruption. If you don't think there was fraud, you are deluding yourself. This is a separate discussion from whether or not it was going to be overturned in the courts. I have been clear from day one that it wasn't going to happen without hard evidence, and Trump's team has not provided it. 

I don't mind posters who point out the improbability of Trump winning in the courts and chastising Trump supporters who blindly believe he is going to win. I tell every Trump supporter that I know to stop living in a bubble, because courts have standards, and it's unlikely than any judge is going to unilaterally make such a controversial decision, let alone collectively. I have never thought for one second that Trump was going to be able to do that without some kind of hard evidence. That said, it's also very clear that dems are [BLEEP] with the system. I could list the reasons why in one post (that would be gigantic), but it wouldn't be anything drastically different than what I've posted across multiple threads. They attack the processes that make our election transparent, and remove the processes that allow for accountability. This has been happening for years. The people who hate Trump are willing to look the other way in this instance, because they want a return to the norm, but that's not the real problem. Trump isn't the cause of the disease, he's a symptom of it.

So what do you want us to do? If we can’t overturn the election with proof, what are we supposed to do? 

We can monitor and try to stay ahead of fraud in succeeding elections, but the fact of the matter is there is nothing to work with now. 

Either 1) They’ve stolen the election because they’ve hidden the evidence so well or 2) it did not occur to such levels to overturn the results.

What is there to do at this point?

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