(12-17-2020, 11:08 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:

(12-17-2020, 10:15 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: He was specifically pointing to OSU"s system. I was answering his comments about how OSU could be a one read and run scheme and how those past QB's have fared in the NFL. If indeed that is the type of system they employ, those quarterbacks coming from that school are not equipped to enter the NFL and be starters. With Florida, it's not the system. It was the actual players and their talent level.

As far as Texas Tech, they did used to run a gimmicky system, but when Mahomes went there it had turned into a more pro-style friendly offense. That made his adjustment to learning NFL football a lot quicker. I believe he would've had a much harder time adjusting in the NFL had they still used a system like Mike Leach employed. Kliff Kingsbury came to Texas Tech and used a different variation of the "air raid" offense that helped Mahomes become a better vertical passer. Leach used a lot of bubble screens and short passes where the WR's were expected to make a lot of yards after the catch. Kingsbury's system relied more on the QB to make plays with his arm. Leach used a lot of "noodle armed" QB's who could still run his scheme with ease, but in Kingsbury's variation, you needed a strong armed QB to be efficient. He found success with Mahomes and now with Murray. Both had baseball backgrounds and strong arms. 

As far as schools, I agree that they should have no bearing on how a player will project to the NFL, but even you have to admit that some college teams run such gimmicky offensive schemes that it makes it much harder for players to adjust to playing a more conventional system in the NFL. That was my point. It wasn't about the school, but about the schemes that they run. I assumed people would understand this concept, but I guess I had to spell it out.

But again.... a schools system means nothing in terms of their correlation to NFL success.

NFL QBs flame out coming from pro style and some become great. Spread QBs can flame out or become really good.

There’s zero correlation. Scouting the QB position is the most difficult aspect on all of sports. There’s no other way to put it. It’s impossible and mostly just luck.

That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard on this board. There are definitely certain systems that make it way more difficult for QB's to make the jump to the NFL. To say that they don't, is just ignorant. Has there ever been a successful NFL QB that comes from a college flexbone scheme? No, because as a scheme it is so different and QB's from such systems basically have to re-learn how to play QB when coming to the NFL. Schemes absolutely do matter. Some schemes are easier than others to transition from the college ranks to the NFL. 

Yes pro-style QB's flame out too, but when you have a really talented QB in a pro-stlyle system, he has a distinct advantage coming into the NFL over a really talented QB who is coming from a gimmicky offensive scheme. That's just common sense!

Schemes matter or else we'd have more triple option QB's in the NFL. Yes, scouting the QB position is the hardest in sports. Not only do you have to have the physical tools, but you also have to be a born leader and you have to make quick decisions and instincts for what is going on around you. IMO, it is the hardest position to play in all of sports.

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