(02-11-2021, 07:55 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(02-10-2021, 11:54 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Mike is an authoritarian lackey. He still believes the MSM who has a PROVEN track record of lying about Trump. He doesn't care about facts. Pence calling in the national guard fits his narrative. It was packaged for him to readily digest, so he eats it up, and regurgitates it. Without questioning it. How many times do you need to be lied to, bro?

Look, is there a chance Pence called the national guard? Sure, I guess. But we are talking about Mike freaking Pence. The guy that wouldn't turn on Trump when Pelosi unconstitutionally suggested he do so. Pence. The guy who wouldn't challenge the electoral votes even though Trump told him to do so. Pence is basically the walking embodiment of rule-following. I guess he could have just been like, "[BLEEP] it," I'm going in.

How about, if I can say there is some chance, however small, that Pence broke rank for the first time in his life and made an executive decision on his own, can you just admit there is a chance the petty, lying media just fed you another [BLEEP] story about Trump? Can you give me something today, Mikey? Or am I going to have to read your response that will probably go something like, "Um, actually, Pence knew he had to do this to save lies, and the if the media were lying, people clearly wouldn't watch it anymore, duh."

You didn't do what I asked.
I don't care how likely you think it is that Pence or Miller did something Trump didn't want them to do.
I asked you, and any other Trumper, if it was proven that Trump didn't want to call the NG and someone else did it for him, would you finally agree with me, that the Senate should convict and Trump should never hold office again?

No.  What are you even talking about?

1.)  This entire proceeding is patently unconstitutional.  

2.) He is charged with inciting a riot.  I am a little fuzzy how asking a group of people to peacefully go down to the capital and cheer on people who vote their way is "inciting a riot."  

This isn't about justice, the constitution or anything of the sort.  This is about codifying collective justice into the American Ethos through political theater.  Plain and simple.  There is no way that You could establish Mens Rea to support the Idea that Trump wanted the protestors to devolve into a riot.  That's childish.  This is about, well the people who did it were trump supporters, so that means that Trump or anyone who supported him, funded him, or helped him can then be essentially unpersoned under the law.  We don't believe in collective guilt in this country.  We believe that each person should be judged on their own actions, intentions, and behaviors. We also believe in a free society, so much so that the freedom of speech is enshrined in the first amendment.  In a free society speech ESPECIALLY INCENDIARY POLITICAL SPEECH is not only allowed but essential to the public discourse as an alternative to persistent civil war.  Any individual that DIRECTS or CALLS FOR VIOLENCE can be culpable.  Obviously those who COMMIT VIOLENCE can be held culpable, but the insinuation that just because someone arouses passions that they are then responsible for anyone who acts out of said passions is fundamentally antithetical to a free society and the congress shoving aside the constitution to pursue that brand of collective justice would not just be an attack on our democratic republic, but the end of it!

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