(04-06-2021, 09:26 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: (04-06-2021, 09:12 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: Every method will have hits and misses. The professional scouts are definitely a great resource and shouldn't be completely disregarded, but close relationships throughout the college ranks will is really also part of scouting as well.
The biggest thing the Belicheck-Harry situation seemed to show was overvaluing the ceiling based on his personal connections instead of mapping out the likelihood of all possibly outcomes. If the current FO/UM cannot navigate that, they will fail.
Obviously teams should try to acquire as much information as possible in order to make an informed decision. If there's a character question for the player, a close relationship with the coach might provide good insight. However, in general, I wouldn't put too much into the coach's assessment. I think many coaches are going to pump up their own player. Even if they think they are being honest, they probably see the player through rose colored glasses. For me, I would rely on game film and my scout's assessments to do most of the talking.
(04-06-2021, 10:17 AM)Bullseye Wrote: (04-06-2021, 10:04 AM)JagFanFirst Wrote: I bet Gene Smith ignored the scouts when he drafted a punter in the third round.
I think Gene Smith was using the force-or was seduced by the dark side of the force-in picking his players.
(04-06-2021, 09:26 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: Obviously teams should try to acquire as much information as possible in order to make an informed decision. If there's a character question for the player, a close relationship with the coach might provide good insight. However, in general, I wouldn't put too much into the coach's assessment. I think many coaches are going to pump up their own player. Even if they think they are being honest, they probably see the player through rose colored glasses. For me, I would rely on game film and my scout's assessments to do most of the talking.
I think it would depend on the coach and how strong my relationship with him is.
If it's a guy that Meyer knows well and is close with, then he should give his opinion more weight than he would with a guy he barely knows.
Still, I agree game film and scouting assesments should govern his decisions, especially as he gets further away from his college experiences.
I think y'all are missing my point. Part of scouting
IS assessing a players character, how much they love game, whether they have major personality red flags, if they are truly a football nut, etc. And good scouts get that information from coaches, trainers, water boys, the waitress as the players favorite hang out, whomever.
I'm sure there will be times where the information that Meyer (or other HCs) gets and the Scouts get contradicts, but I would guess most often they line up. The issue would be if Meyer always overrules the scouts in those situations. Given how much has seemed to value his staffs input already and how much a point Shad and the FO talked about the coaches, scouts and personnel departments working together over the past year, I have hope that will not be the case.
