(05-13-2021, 11:28 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(05-13-2021, 11:00 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Ok, dude, let me see if I can give a better example. In the MI case (this is from memory, so the recollection might not be perfect), Trump has affidavits from people who saw dates being switched, people counting ballots with no signatures, election officials kicking out Republican observers. There was an affidavit talking about a truck that arrived around 3 AM with what appeared to be ballots. An hour and a half later, there is a large ballot dump where 99% of the ballots went to Biden. There is video evidence that shows a truck pull up and people offloading cases of something, which corroborates the story. This is when the voting center was supposedly shut down for the night. All of that is suspect, but it doesn't prove anything. There needs to be hard evidence.

What I have laid out is the preponderance of evidence, and it doesn't matter how much there is, because Trump can't prove there were ballots on that truck. He can't prove those ballots were then scanned and we all for Biden. It only takes one person saying that they had a skeleton staff working through the night, and that it just so happens that all of those ballots were for Biden because more democrats mailed in votes (not to the tune of 99%, but whatever). It only takes one person saying the truck was just offloading printer paper, even though it was being escorted by a person in a Porsche. The election officials only need to say they kicked out unruly participants, or that there was a mix up. Truth be told, all of those things might just be coincidences, but let's be real. There was a LOT of shady stuff going on. That said, the courts can't seriously take a case that has no verifiable hard evidence. We should still be in agreement here. So, it should be obvious to both me and you that the courts did the right thing by dismissing those cases out of the gate. What should also be obvious to me and you is that there was still a lot of shenanigans involved in the most populated districts in the most important swing states, that were controlled by blue officials with no oversight whatsoever.

Now, when shady stuff goes on, pressure should be put on those institutions to verify that it really was just a coincidence, right? Wouldn't you agree? Instead of a spotlight being shined in that direction, there was IMMEDIATE dismissal coming from the MSM. That doesn't set off warning bells in your head? Not even a little bit? Why are journalists not investigating this? I mean, aside from the fact that they don't investigate anything. Ever. What about the institutions designed to investigate this? Barr didn't send out the FBI. He left it up to local agencies. GA is the only state that said they investigated, at least according to Kemp, but we were given no description of what was done or how they did it. Kemp said something to the affect of 'we had our guys go down there to ask around, but they didn't find anything suspicious.' Before you take that and run with it, ask yourself how agencies might be hamstrung in this type of investigation. Can they look at the ballots? Nope. Can they look at the machines? Nope. You need warrants for any of this stuff, and we get back to the original problem: Where's the body? In the few cases where courts have permitted extra digging, the people are being obstructed by the very agencies that should be helping.

I could do the same thing for GA, AZ, MI, WI, and PA. I literally only mentioned a super small fraction of events that took place this election. I listened to HOURS of witness testimony, and looked at many examples of suspect math...even did some myself. The truth is that there just wasn't anything tangible to back it up. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE IS NO EVIDENCE! If you want to continue on that tract, just know you are doing so at the cost of your own integrity. You can say I am compromising mine, but I'm very specific about what I'm claiming. The preponderance of evidence looks extremely suspect, and we, as a people, should be clamoring for investigations, just like we did for Russiagate.

Here's the kicker: Literally every single thing that contributed to this mess, Dems are now trying to federalize. If anything should set off your corruption radar, that should be it, but, like Mikey, you are too enamored by authority to use your actual brain.

Okay, help me out here.  You refer to "the MI case."   There were about a dozen Michigan cases.  Can you tell me which one you are referring to?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-elect...m_Michigan

About the boxes that you say showed up at 3AM with what appeared to be boxes of ballots: the local news station says it was their truck, and it was photographic equipment.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolog...-debunked/

[font=georgia,]A video shared widely online shows a man closing the back of a white van early Wednesday and wheeling a box into a Detroit ballot-counting location with a red wagon. As he walks away, a woman recording says the box “looks like one of those lockboxes” and implies that he might be illegally bringing ballots inside.[/font]That man was a photographer for WXYZ, Detroit’s ABC affiliate, and the box was the equipment he was transporting into the TCF Center.
[font=Franklin, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=georgia,]A Michigan Department of State spokeswoman confirmed that the video did not depict illegal behavior.[/font][/font]
[font=Franklin, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=georgia,]“WXYZ settled this and confirmed it is their camera person,” the spokeswoman, Tracy Wimmer, wrote in an email. “That video has been completely debunked."[/font][/font]

About the ballot dump with all the ballots going to Biden: 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/verify...cce9f38409

[font=proximanova, sans-serif]There were claims Wednesday morning that about 130,000 votes were added to the tally in Michigan -- and all of them went to Biden.
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People quickly called foul and pointed to it as evidence confirming their suspicions of illegal ballot dumping.
[font=proximanova, sans-serif]But VERIFY learned that there weren’t 130,000 votes mysteriously given to Joe Biden. The person who made the viral claim later deleted his tweet because it was false.[/font]

So, you have not been able to name a case where a judge "refused to look at the evidence," the so-called "ballot dump" did not happen, and the mysterious boxes that were brought in a van at 3 AM were photographic equipment.  

I hope you stop now, because I am too lazy to want to keep knocking down your specious arguments like this.  Please stop.  

You say I am being dense, but I think you are so locked into this conspiracy theory that you have lost all of your objectivity.  You don't seem to realize, or you don't want to admit, that most of your arguments were debunked long ago.    

Firstly, I want to clarify what I was doing with my post. I was trying to just use some information from memory of some contentious issues as an example of why a court wouldn't hear the case. I was more caught up in arguing my analogy than I was in presenting facts, so to that end, your response is fair criticism. I haven't followed this for months, so a good majority has already leaked out of my brain, and it was lazy of me to throw out those examples. It doesn't matter, though, because none of the cases that were "dismissed" were actually heard. This means you trying to win this debate by "debunking" that info is irrelevant. What you did here was not done at the trials. They weren't heard. It's because the judges were looking for any kind of hard PROOF that Trump would have won if not for a particular fraud. Trump could not present that, so there was no trial in most of these instances.

I will concede that the vote dumps were common, and likely to favor Biden. You have the wrong example of a van pulling up to the center, but it doesn't matter, because you'll just post the explanation from the county which is that it's standard practice to drop off ballots in the middle of the night. I find it odd that votes are held at one location, then after saying the center was shut down for the night, a van drops off tens of thousands of ballots from a different location, and vote totals continue to be updated. Why were we told they were shutting down for the night in 4 states, only to have the vote totals drastically different when they "resume" work the next morning? Wouldn't the totals be the same at 6:30 as they were at 3:30 if those centers shut down? 

Anyways, it doesn't really matter to me, because I am hung up on a completely different set of numbers. Biden underperformed everywhere but a few highly populated districts controlled by democrats. When you look at the abstractions this election, common sense points to fraud. Trump couldn't produce a body... that's on him. I truly blame him for his defeat. HOWEVER, it's should be common sense for the establishment to want to clarify the concerns of the people. This means doing a thorough audit in contested areas. Instead, they are dismissive and obfuscating. 

I don't want to go into it too much, because we are having 2 different arguments at this point. I just want you to acknowledge that there was no EVIDENCE given at the trials where the cases were dismissed or dropped. This is argument one. When you can do that, then we can go back to the original argument, which is whether or not fraud occurred. I can not prove it occurred... I can only show that there is a strong possibility of it. This is where we need to get to then address the "For the People Act," which I believe is the single greatest threat to our Republic.

P.S. Sorry I couldn't get to this sooner. I had a terrible headache when I got back from lunch. Then I kind of forgot about it.

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