(05-15-2021, 05:52 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(05-13-2021, 11:28 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Okay, help me out here.  You refer to "the MI case."   There were about a dozen Michigan cases.  Can you tell me which one you are referring to?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-elect...m_Michigan

About the boxes that you say showed up at 3AM with what appeared to be boxes of ballots: the local news station says it was their truck, and it was photographic equipment.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolog...-debunked/

[font=georgia,]A video shared widely online shows a man closing the back of a white van early Wednesday and wheeling a box into a Detroit ballot-counting location with a red wagon. As he walks away, a woman recording says the box “looks like one of those lockboxes” and implies that he might be illegally bringing ballots inside.[/font]That man was a photographer for WXYZ, Detroit’s ABC affiliate, and the box was the equipment he was transporting into the TCF Center.
[font=Franklin, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=georgia,]A Michigan Department of State spokeswoman confirmed that the video did not depict illegal behavior.[/font][/font]
[font=Franklin, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=georgia,]“WXYZ settled this and confirmed it is their camera person,” the spokeswoman, Tracy Wimmer, wrote in an email. “That video has been completely debunked."[/font][/font]

About the ballot dump with all the ballots going to Biden: 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/verify...cce9f38409

[font=proximanova, sans-serif]There were claims Wednesday morning that about 130,000 votes were added to the tally in Michigan -- and all of them went to Biden.
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People quickly called foul and pointed to it as evidence confirming their suspicions of illegal ballot dumping.
[font=proximanova, sans-serif]But VERIFY learned that there weren’t 130,000 votes mysteriously given to Joe Biden. The person who made the viral claim later deleted his tweet because it was false.[/font]

So, you have not been able to name a case where a judge "refused to look at the evidence," the so-called "ballot dump" did not happen, and the mysterious boxes that were brought in a van at 3 AM were photographic equipment.  

I hope you stop now, because I am too lazy to want to keep knocking down your specious arguments like this.  Please stop.  

You say I am being dense, but I think you are so locked into this conspiracy theory that you have lost all of your objectivity.  You don't seem to realize, or you don't want to admit, that most of your arguments were debunked long ago.    

Firstly, I want to clarify what I was doing with my post. I was trying to just use some information from memory of some contentious issues as an example of why a court wouldn't hear the case. I was more caught up in arguing my analogy than I was in presenting facts, so to that end, your response is fair criticism. I haven't followed this for months, so a good majority has already leaked out of my brain, and it was lazy of me to throw out those examples. It doesn't matter, though, because none of the cases that were "dismissed" were actually heard. This means you trying to win this debate by "debunking" that info is irrelevant. What you did here was not done at the trials. They weren't heard. It's because the judges were looking for any kind of hard PROOF that Trump would have won if not for a particular fraud. Trump could not present that, so there was no trial in most of these instances.

I will concede that the vote dumps were common, and likely to favor Biden. You have the wrong example of a van pulling up to the center, but it doesn't matter, because you'll just post the explanation from the county which is that it's standard practice to drop off ballots in the middle of the night. I find it odd that votes are held at one location, then after saying the center was shut down for the night, a van drops off tens of thousands of ballots from a different location, and vote totals continue to be updated. Why were we told they were shutting down for the night in 4 states, only to have the vote totals drastically different when they "resume" work the next morning? Wouldn't the totals be the same at 6:30 as they were at 3:30 if those centers shut down? 

Anyways, it doesn't really matter to me, because I am hung up on a completely different set of numbers. Biden underperformed everywhere but a few highly populated districts controlled by democrats. When you look at the abstractions this election, common sense points to fraud. Trump couldn't produce a body... that's on him. I truly blame him for his defeat. HOWEVER, it's should be common sense for the establishment to want to clarify the concerns of the people. This means doing a thorough audit in contested areas. Instead, they are dismissive and obfuscating. 

I don't want to go into it too much, because we are having 2 different arguments at this point. I just want you to acknowledge that there was no EVIDENCE given at the trials where the cases were dismissed or dropped. This is argument one. When you can do that, then we can go back to the original argument, which is whether or not fraud occurred. I can not prove it occurred... I can only show that there is a strong possibility of it. This is where we need to get to then address the "For the People Act," which I believe is the single greatest threat to our Republic.

P.S. Sorry I couldn't get to this sooner. I had a terrible headache when I got back from lunch. Then I kind of forgot about it.

I really don't want to keep going with this, but I will respond to the part in bold.  There was no evidence given at the trials because there was no evidence.  The judges who dismissed the cases stated that there was no evidence.  That should tell you, they asked to see evidence and none was produced, or what so-called evidence was shown was so weak that it couldn't really be called evidence.  It is absolutely not true that the judges refused to look at the evidence.  They did look at the evidence, and they generally said, this is not evidence, case dismissed.   

Again, I don't want to keep going, but I have to close with this: you have failed to produce a single specific case, where what you alleged happened, actually happened.  You state, "It's because the judges were looking for any kind of hard PROOF that Trump would have won if not for a particular fraud."  I have asked you twice for a specific case where that happened, and you have not produced one.

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