(07-16-2021, 06:39 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: Ramsey had more to say about how the Jags and Him got to the trade point.  Add another notch to that Loser Dave Caldwell's belt.  Khan is also to blame for letting this bum run the team for all those years.

Some interesting parts:

Tony khan conned Ramsey into a meeting thinking it would just be he and Tony:  Caldwell, Tony, Shad, and Coughlin were there.  Some things Ramsey had to say:

-Of course, as confirmed in 2019, one of those people was front-office leader Tom Coughlin. The other, according to Ramsey, was former general manager Dave Caldwell, who didn’t initially speak as Shad Khan started the conversation.

-“I want to say Shad started to speak first and was very respectful. You know ‘Jalen we got a lot of respect for your game’ this, that whoop-de-woo… ‘Are you and Doug going to be good? We don’t want anything going on between a key player and our head coach.’ I’m like ‘We good. It is what it is and that’s just part of the game.'”

-“Tony said something, too, and was real respectful, again,” Ramsey said. “Basically repeated what his dad said and kind of kept it moving like ‘Man we really think y’all should talk before anybody talks to the media. Y’all two should talk just to make sure y’all good and maybe you need to apologize to him.’

-“So then, Dave Caldwell, who was the GM…he took the total opposite — I guess they were in there playing good cop, bad cop. He took the total opposite approach. He started cussing and started trying to cuss me out, like ‘You need to go [expletive] apologize.’ […] I said ‘No, that ain’t happening.’ 

“And then he said something else, but I forgot what he said. You know how when you’re in shock sometimes, you give like that little laugh, like ‘He’s crazy.’ So, I gave him a little grin and he’s like ‘Oh, is this funny to you?’ And I just started shaking my head, and then he was like, ‘Well, just get the [expletive] out!’ And he opened the door, and I just walked out like laughing a little bit, and he slammed the door behind me.”



https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2021/07...ore-trade/

"conned" is a strong word. Based on the article, there is nothing outside of Ramsey's assumption that "them" was only TK and Shad. Again, we only have Ramsey's side of this story to work from, and you know he's not going to paint the picture where he fouls up and assumes something. If TK said "meet with the two of us" and then TC and Dave happen to be waiting in the room as well, then sure, TK is a conman. Had he said "meet with us", and Ramsey was the one thinking it's just TK and Shad, well, it's on Ramsey for not making sure either his expectations of ownership only were clear, or confirming  in advance who was involved, or what was going to be discussed.

What if the part he forgot was "we want you to be a leader in the locker room, and a hollow apology ends this stupid story. Be the bigger person." Not saying it was. Until someone else vilifies Dave for what went on behind closed doors, I choose to reserve judgment, though.

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